RS> Because the bulk of the people in say Amway arent operating like that.

RS> I cant help it if you are to thick to understand how the law works Greg.

GB> Name calling is usually the last recourse of the
GB> intellectually challenged so I'll let that go for now.

Says he doing precisely what he howls about himself. Pathetic really.

RS> Yes, the law proscribes some particular activitys.

GB> Of course it does.

And if you bother to read the law which proscribes pyramid schemes, you
will see that it does indeed proscribe pyramid schemes. Amway isnt one.

GB> Back to the point however, the first line of this message
GB> is your statement as to why Amway et al are not illegal.

Its remarkably simple really, it isnt a pyramid marketing scheme
in the form that the law proscribes. It really is that simple.

GB> It is also in fact wrong, THE major selling point of Amway
GB> distributorship if you had EVER spoken to someone pushing it,
GB> is the possible returns on commissions by other peoples sales,
GB> not the likely returns from the individuals sales efforts.

Pity that THAT is NOT what makes a pyramid marketing scheme
Greg. The law does NOT proscribe earning money on commissions.

GB> The fact that very few people actually DO make the sort of
GB> money possible is due to thedifficulty in actually building
GB> up an effective network and the time taken to do so, not
GB> because of any flaw in the reasoning behind the scheme.

Yes, but the fact remains, when the vast bulk of the income of
the vast bulk of the people participating in Amways scheme is
not coming from commissions on sales in a pyramid structure, it
is not a pyramid marketing scheme as far as the law is concerned.

RS> Those activitys are illegal regardless of whether
RS> anyone actually chooses to break that law or not.

GB> If I attempt to shoot somebody but fail, I am breaking
GB> the law even though I failed to do what I intended.

Pity that says SFA about the bit being discussed in mine above. That
is actually an example of explicit breaking of the law, attempting to
shoot someone. The law doesnt say its illegal only if you kill them.

GB> If a company is operating an illegal pyramid marketing scheme
GB> it is illegal, whether regardless of your statement in the first
GB> line, "the bulk of people" in that company operate that way or not.

Fraid not Greg. The question of what is proscribed by the law on
the question of pyramid marketing schemes does indeed crucially
hinge on where the bulk of the income is coming from. Because the
law ONLY proscribes the situation where there is a pyramid structure
AND the vast bulk of the income is JUST from commissions.

Primarily because there are a number of situations where say a sales
manager may well be getting much of his income form the sales achieved
by the sales staff and the law was not attempting to proscribe that.
It was intended to ONLY proscribe the pyramid marketing schemes.

RS> BUT when deciding if a particular activity of a particular person is
RS> illegal activity or not, particularly when considering whether to say
RS> charge them or not, or say tell them to stop doing that or they will get
RS> charged, its their actual action, whether they have actually broken the
RS> particular law which counts. Not that they could if they wanted to.

GB> Agreed, so if as you stated earlier, there ARE people in say
GB> Amway who derive most of their income from commissions on sales
GB> by people below them in the structure, and your quote admits that
GB> there are, and as YOU earlier stated to do so MAKES it a pyramid
GB> marketing scheme, why are they not in jail?

Because the law which proscribes pyramid marketing schemes does NOT
proscribe that particular situation. Just like it does NOT proscribe
the situation where the sales manager doesnt actually make sales to
customers, but does get commissions/bonuses based on the sales achieved
by his sales force. The law was written to allow those activitys.

GB> I know for a fact that Amway et al are NOT
GB> pyramid marketing schemes and are NOT illegal.

Yes, its dead obvious to anyone that they arent, there is the tiny
detail that they continue without the law attempting to charge them etc.

GB> I also KNOW the reason why.

The reason is ALSO dead obvious, its not something the law on pyramid
marketing schemes has proscribed. Ditto the sales manager scenario.

GB> After numerous requests to do so you have YET AGAIN failed
GB> to answer my simple question, what defines a pyramid scheme
GB> and how does it differ from a network scheme?

I have answered it endlessly, you are just too thick to understand
the answer Greg. Thats your problem, not mine, and I really dont
give a damn if you ever do managed to understand it.

GB> I think it is clear to everyone now

Funny, I dont recall any notification that you actually speak for
everyone. In fact I dont recall any notification that you speak for
ANYONE except yourself Greg.

GB> that you simply DON'T KNOW and it is about time you admitted it and
GB> stopped wasting everyones time with your useless, unsubstantiated ravings.

Interesting contrast to your pompous little remark at the top Greg.
You really want to be a bit more careful, such utter hypocrisy in a
single message stands out like dogs balls. Its a tad less obvious if
you split it between messages.

If you are too stupid to understand the difference between Amway and
an illegal pyramid marketing scheme after all this time Greg, thats
entirely your problem. Thickys will always be with us presumably.

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