RS> Are you completely sure you were running with S10=2 for those on Sat
 RS> arvo, an earlier message seemed to suggest not. Dave seemed pretty
 RS> adamant that S10=1 wasnt very desirable too, sounds logical as well.

Yes, I was using S10=2.

 RS> Dunno in that case the line drops out after your modem is fully
 RS> satisfied about a good incoming call and has woken up Binkley. Its
 RS> possible that failed calls confuse you modem more, it hasnt seen what it
 RS> thinks is a good connect at all and may in that case get more confused
 RS> about hearing the busy tone from the exchange and trying to treat it as
 RS> a carrier. I dont know that, thats just speculation on my part.

Well it's better than the theory I've got at the moment!

 PE>> Therefor, it is when you connect at a funny speed,

 RS> No, you are assuming the 12K connects are common, they arent. They are
 RS> only say 5% of the failed connects.

Hmmm.  Ok, but we've got a definite problem your end right?  Your modem has
NO right to drop down to 12K unless mine agrees, right?  So how can it have
negotiated 12K when I wasn't agreeing?  Can you try switching Adaptive
Retrain off for a few days?

 RS> But your theory would result in the busy problem only being seen after a
 RS> 12K connect. Thats not what happens.

How about the problems arise when the Spirit receives a negotiation request
when it has been disabled?

 PE>> In the meantime, I'll reduce the Maximus log on time to 4 minutes.

 RS> Cant do any harm.

Be interesting to see what happens.  I believe my modem does hang up after
9 minutes.  This way Maximus should give it the flick.

 PE>> P.S. I tried simulating the problem with my 1200 bps modem, and every
 PE>> time I hang up, the modem hangs up too.  And that's with S10=3.  I
 PE>> think I'll ask again in the Spirit echo.  BFN.

 RS> The other thing to do is to have phone in parallel with the modem, pick
 RS> up the line and listen to it when the modem is hungup like that and make
 RS> quite sure there really is an exchange busy in that case. We are
 RS> assuming there is but it would be worth confirming that.

How am I supposed to hear the exhange over the din the modem would be making?

(comes back).  I decided to try dialling with my 1200 bps modem, and
plugging the T200 in, and listening.  There was a real racket as they
connected, and continued to be, and then I got my 1200 bps modem to hang
up, and when I did the 14400 dropped out a couple of seconds after, and I
heard the exchange tone Dooo dooo dooo.  I'm not sure exactly what I was
supposed to be looking for, but basically my modem is hanging up as soon as
the person on the other end does, which is what it is supposed to do, and
is doing well.  It is just the odd occasion where something goes haywire. 
I presume there is a bug in the Spirit somewhere which gets it into a mode
where it doesn't monitor CD properly.

BFN.

Paul

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