-> DN> Whereas the players "bent over backwards" to accomadate those g
-> DN> owners, right?  Gimmee a break.  You'd think the players were G
-> DN> something.
->
->Dave, what IS a strike? It's a player's/worker's reaction to
->management's  resistence to their proposal's/demands. If you
->consider players greedy then  you must consider ordinary union
->workers greedy because strikes are there for  the same purpose
->whether it's an *ordinary* union or a *sports* union.
But how much does the average person in an ordinary union make?
-> DN> It all comes down to money.  Show me how any thing the players
-> DN> for doesn't, in the end, mean money.
->
->Gee, Dave, if that's the case then show me the same thing in
->*ordinary*  strikes.
It all comes down to money.
->More importantly, Dave, tell me when it wasn't the
->OWNERS/MANAGEMENT  of sports/businesses who were the ones concerned
->with money.
It all comes down to money.  I never said it didn't on the owner's side
also.. I'm just amused by your attempt to tell me that the players side
wasn't about money.. it was about "licensing", etc.
->Remember, a
->strike is a REACTION, not a first strike weapon.
So if a strike is a reaction.. therefore the managements fault.. and a
lockout is also the managements fault.. then I guess all strikes throughout
history have always been the fault of the management.
Ridiculous.  The memory of the NHL players threatening to strike if not
given larger shares of various profits, right before playoff time of course,
is too fresh in my mind to buy this bullsh*t.
->(An NFL example of
->this practice was a player sending his agent to deal with Packer's
->head man  Vince Lombardi. Lombardi excused himself, went into
->another room and came back  later to let the guy know that he had
->been traded). Prior to the use of  agents, players were screwed by
->reserve clauses, funny language and what  amounted to slavery. Now,
->before you consider my words as hyperbole, consider  that compared
->to society back then, players had NO rights. They HAD to sign  with
->their old teams and even if they sat out for several seasons, their
->rights STILL belonged to their old team. The only way that they
->could move to  another team was for a rival league to form so they
->can play out their  contract and jump to the new league. It didn't
->change the fact that if the new  league folded, their rights still
->belonged to their old team but it did give  the players in the old
->league leverage to change these rules over time.
->
->Want an example? How about medical coverage and keeping the owners
->from  getting rid of a player before he's fully healed. It was a
->common practice for  the owners to dump a player who was probably
->useless to his sports forever  before or shortly after he started
->his rehabilitation. The owner would dump  him before HE had to pay
->money for surgery, drugs, treatment, etc. and unions  in all sports
->got them to stop that reprehensible practice.
Try and stay on topic Ed.  I believe we're talking about recent strikes
only, since I've acknowledged the value of strikes in the past.  As far as
I'm concerned, 1969 does not count as recent, and pre-1969 is even worse.
->Free agency
->was never about money but the ability to CHOOSE where a player
->could play.
But it's about money today, Ed.  Don't try and tell me it isn't.  The free
agent system, especially in baseball, but to an extent in the other leagues,
is creating a system whereby I don't know who's playing for what team from
one year to the next, players change addresses so much.  All in pursuit of
the allmighty buck.  Would it kill a player to turn down an extra 500,000
just to stick with a team that's treated him well?
->(Never mind the fact that quite a few players
->go back to cities near their home town or where they played college
->or near  their wive's home).
Quite a few??  Pffft..  a small minority, more like.
->against the players and their *greed*.
                                ^^^^^^^
These should probably be quotes and not stars if you were trying to say the
word greed sarcastically.
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