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to: Joacim Melin
from: Michiel van der Vlist
date: 2019-03-28 00:45:00
subject: IPv6

Hello Joacim,

On Tuesday March 26 2019 19:38, you wrote to me:

 JM> I'd like to ask a question, without any preconceived opinions or
 JM> otherwise: move Fidonet forward... where?

Why do you think I have the answer? It is not me that insists on radical 
changes.

 JM> I mean, the network as such isn't exactly growing,

And neither is the local fish club, the amateur stage club and the HAM 
community. Things come and go.

 JM> the technology is more or less based on the same stuff as 10-20 years
 JM> ago (which is fine by me)

I would not mind if those proudly advertising that they still use 25+ year old 
stuff would change their mind. I would not mind a 32 bits version of Allfix. I 
would not mind some changes to Golded that make it easier to write Cyrillics. 
And I would like to see more IPv6 capable nodes. Other than that... Most is 
fine as it is...

 JM> the arguing and the politics are still the same as always.

It was pretty quit in here until a couple of returnees came barging in 
demanding change...

 JM> I say Fidonet isn't going anywhere. it will remain the same until the
 JM> last person leaving shuts off the light.

That is what happens when old people run an antiquated show. I have no problem 
with it.

 JM> Not to say that things can't *improve*, such as removing certain
 JM> people in power who abuse that power

Who will decide who may stay and who has to go? The inquisition? And then? Hire 
an elimination squad?

 JM>  or maybe merge all zones into one since it's pretty fucking
 JM> silly to have all these zones,

You think you are the first with that idea? Go find my Fidonews articles. I 
wrote two articles about removing a level of hierarchy. Too lazy to look it up 
for you.

 JM> networks and whatnot as if Fidonet will suddenly grow to 20000 BBS:es
 JM> again.   If Fidonet is to stand a fighting chance to survive it needs
 JM> to be a friendlier place, a more accessible place. Have a look at how
 JM> easy you can join FSXNet, how welcoming that network is and how
 JM> friendly the atmosphere there are...

If FSXnet is so great, why are you here?

 JM> and compare it to this network who yells to every newcomer to get off
 JM> it's lawn.

You come storming in out of nowhere and DEMAND that we old farts who have been 
here for over a quarter of a century CHANGE so that Fidonet becomes an alternet 
for FSXnet? And you are surprised that we are not all that enthousiastic? How 
about storming into the Den of a Harley club and demand that they stop drinking 
beer, replace the bikes by famlily cars and start sipping wine...

 JM> So maybe I failed to not have opinions but I care deeply about this
 JM> stuff.

 JM> And no - I will not discuss this in Fidonews, which is the dung heap
 JM> of Fidonet.

I am not going to continue to discuss it here, it is not a matter that desires 
interaction between the Fidonet community and the FTSC.


Cheers, Michiel

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