-=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Paul Andinach <=-
 PA> Summary of Ivy's argument:
 PA> I don't believe the government when they say it was Project Mogul.
 II> Any more than I believe the half-dozen or so OTHER "Real O-fishy
 II> explainations" that they Pentigon has had in the last few years!
 II> Ye gads, Paul, how could this be a TRUTHFUL explaination if it
 II> included crash dummies that weren't even INVENTED until several
 II> years later?
   I've explained that to you already. At least twice, IIRC. All you
do is ignore me and go on complaining that the answer doesn't exist.
 II> And those who have searched through the Project Mogul records
 II> using FOIA requests have accounted for EVERY SINGLE ONE of the
 II> Mogul balloons except one, and THAT ONE WAS NEVER LAUNCHED!
 
   Now, that's a more serious objection. Do you know where I could get
a look at these records?
 PA> Therefore, it wasn't anything from America's technology of the
 PA> time.
 II> Non-Sequitur.
   *shrug* If you say so. It's *your* argument.
 
 PA> Therefore, it could only have been aliens.
 II> Again Non-Sequitur. You are the one making big jumps now!
   This is still your argument.
 
 PA> Therefore, the Government is hiding aliens because it is afraid
 PA> of how the public will react.
This is where your argument ends and I go back to speaking for myself.
 
 PA> I dunno... There seem to be a few holes in that argument...
 II> As there are in yours.
   Not as large as the ones in the above.
 II> FACT: _SOMETHING_ happened near Roswell, NM in 1947.
   Okay.
 II> FACT: If the Govt. had given out ONE story that nobody could find
 II> holes in,
               I would be very much surprised. This is *real life*.
   Neat answers are not common.
 II> FACT: Since then, the Govt. has released AT LEAST half a dozen
 II> stories, each more unbelievable than the last when examined
 II> through FOIA requests!
   Details?
 II> CONCLUSION: When so many O-FISHY accounts are released over half
 II> a century and NONE of them stand up when investigated via FOIA
 II> requests OR interviews with (alleged) witnesses, then the ONLY
 II> conclusion that a THINKING person can come up with is that Uncle
 II> Sam is COVERING UP _SOMETHING!_
   Hey, have you ever considered the possibility that even the
government doesn't know what's going on, that they're guessing like
everyone else?
 II> FACT: The PROVEN purpose of Project Blue Book and it's sucessors,
 II> according to FOIA requests, was to DISCREDIT ALL WITNESS REPORTS
 II> OF UFOs AS SOME NATURAL PHENOMINA!
   Not necessarily proof of nefarious intent. Maybe it was just set up
by people who didn't believe in UFOs, and who thought that if they
came up with "proof" people would stop bugging them about the darn
things.
 II> FINAL CONCLUSION: The U.S. Govt. MUST, by applying common logic,
 II> HAS to be covering up SOMETHING!
   Urg. I hate conclusions that "must" be true.
   Possible alternative: The government has no idea what's going on,
but they're sure it's not alien visitors, and they're trying to come
up with some explanation for what it is.
 II> And since it seemed to start about July, 1947, I would say that
 II> whatever-it-was that crashed near Roswell is within the scope of
 II> that cover-up.
   "seemed", hmm. Did it actually start about July 1947, or is that
just an impression created by researchers who want to find some kind
of pattern?
 II>   _IF_ it had been something from OUR technology of that time, I
 II> would think that it would have become public by now
   As I said before, you can't use the "Why hasn't it become public by
now?" excuse if you're going to reject out of hand any attempt by the
US Government to make 'it' public.
 II> And how do you explain away all the sightings, both visual and on
 II> radar, which have been made in the last half-century or so?
   I can't. You can't. Nobody can. We're just people, we can't explain
everything.
 II> Surely they aren't ALL nuts, fakers, mistaken or liars... ARE
 II> THEY???
   Who said they were?
Paul
... "My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating."  
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