I'm going to change the subject to the one above if that's OK Robert?
RL>I was touched the other day by a story my airplane student told me.
RL>I have  been trying to convince him that a full stall landing is 
RL>the way to go.  He can't bring himself to believe that the 
RL>airplane shouldn't be driven onto the runway (usually 
RL>crooked).  At any rate, he was aboard a 747-400 on an 
RL>international flight.  The Captain invited him into the 
RL>cockpit when they were on the ground.  At one point my 
RL>student asked the Captain if he held the 747 off until it 
RL>stalled onto the runway.  The Captain explained the 
RL>difference in landing techniques between a 747 and a Cessna 
RL>150.  My student said "my instructor always tells me to 
RL>hold it off."  The 747 Captain told him it had been a lot 
RL>of years since he first soloed but to this day he could 
RL>still hear his instructor saying "hold it off, hold it off" 
RL>every time he landed.
I'm sure that's true Robert.  I think we all have experienced that 
Instructor talk in our heads from a long time ago.  I think the key to 
this is the differences in aircraft, their design, gear arrangement etc.  
Probably the first two aircraft to depart from the "Hold her off" three 
point stall landing was the Twin Beech and the C-47 and possibly C-46 
(never flew this one).  They certainly could be three pointed but it was 
harder and the risk was greater so they began "Wheel landing" these 
aircraft and has continued to this day.  All aircraft have an optimum 
touchdown speed.  In conventional aircraft the (too high) airspeed made 
it almost impossible to land.  In Tricycle Gear aircraft you can put it 
on the ground but the possibility of getting the nose wheel first and 
causing a porpoise is certainly there which causes more problems for 
begining students.  The (just the thought) of stalling an aircraft 
scares the willies out of most students.  It never occurs to them that 
excessive airspeed is just as dangerous in many other ways....Jim.....
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 X CMPQwk 1.4 #1684 X Hold der off, Hold der off, "Should have held her off".
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