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to: Michael Grant
from: Ross Cassell
date: 2004-08-07 18:23:20
subject: Nodelist format [1]

Hello Michael!

06 Aug 04 21:30, you wrote to me:

 RC>> But there is nothing in policy mechanisms that can gain one
 RC>> relief. Assuming MG would prevail in a PC against Scott,
 RC>> including appeals, nothing in Fidonet could ever compel Scott to
 RC>> cease and desist, to prove that, maybe Scott could resign from
 RC>> Fidonet, leave that cname record in, and MG is still rowing that
 RC>> same fuggin boat. ;-)

 MG> Just because some behaviour is commonplace or even acceptable on the
 MG> internet does not mean that it is acceptable behaviour for Fidonet.

But DNS is a requirement for the Internet, not Fidonet..

I point out that a policy complaint cannot provide you relief, take Scott
out of the nodelist, he still leaves the cname record in and you are still
under distress.

It aint any different with you having made a bitmap image of me in effigy,
flying it as wallpaper on your windows desktop, advertising that fact, me
asking you to take it off, you refusing..

I could not seek relief from Policy 4 because you refused to respect my
rights and wishes.

I do not imply you would do such a thing.

 MG> Every person who is a member of this network has an obligation to
 MG> respect the policy of this network. Respecting the policy of this
 MG> network means respecting the wishes of other sysops, by not doing
 MG> anything that is excessively annoying to them.

Does that mean stuff that isnt covered by Fidonet, what if your political
beliefs bother me, can I make you change them to accomodate my own by
filing a PC?

After all your comments about the USA and Bush in particular really have annoyed me.

 MG> The only reason Scott Little is being held up to scrutiny against
 MG> Fidonet policy is because he is a member of Fidonet, and has acted in
 MG> an excessively annoying manner towards another member of Fidonet.

You mean you got into an argument that spiraled out of control into a
pissing match, with you making demands and him giving you a demonstration.

 MG> If Scott Little will not respect the policy of Fidonet, then he does
 MG> not belong in this network.

Fidonet Policy does not mandate that its members must like another or agree
on whatever.

Fidonet Policy does not cover how he configures his DNS server.

Fidonet Policy cannot provide you with relief. (in this instance)

 MG> If Fidonet will not respect my own wishes as a sysop, then I will
 MG> voluntarily leave this network, as I have no desire to be a part of a
 MG> network that disrespects the wishes of it's individual members.

Perhaps change the tone of your argument, make no demands and ask Scott nicely?

Or as I stated, make your case with the authority who can provide you
relief, his ISP or upstream provider.

==
Ross
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