On 21/02/17 07:55, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:48:54 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher  wrote:
>
>> On 20/02/17 21:35, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:31:59 +0000
>>> The Natural Philosopher  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/02/17 18:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  That is what I mean by network transparency, it was one of the
>>>>> more important design features of X.
>>>>>
>>>> One of the most useless features, except if for some reason you
>>>> actually needed it.
>>>
>>>  Such as running GUI applications from headless servers, which I
>>> have done many many times over the last quarter century or so. In my
>>> current setup I have calibre installed in a FreeBSD jail on a headless
>>> server, when I want to run the calibre GUI I just ssh into the calibre
>>> account on the jail and the GUI pops up on my workstation, or if I feel
>>> so inclined on my laptop even when I'm in a different continent using
>>> my VPN (yes I have had cause to do this).
>>>
>>>  Useless ? No! Powerful.
>> #
>> yes, useless, because I also have calibre 'running on a headless
>> server', I mount the file system and run caliber on a desktop.
>
>  Hmm so trains are useless because some people drive cars to get
> from a to b ?
>
>  Here is a *very* simple point for you - in order to export a
> filesystem you need root access to the machine holding that filesystem, in
> order to run an X application on a remote machine displaying on a local
> machine all you need is a login on both. I could just as easily run calibre
> for a thousand users my way and none of them would even be able to see
> anything but their own collection. Your way would require a thousand
> exports and anyone would be able to mount any export unless you restricted
> the exports to specific clients.
>

That is apart from the 'need for root to set it up' such ignorant tosh
that its not worth responding to.

>> 100% of all I need to do is dome with a combination of exported file
>> systems and a terminal.
>
>  So *you* do not use it means that it is useless no matter how many
> other people find it useful ?
>

Lost of people use i-phones as a replacement for a ballpoint and a
notepad too.

NO sysadmin worth his salt uses X to export sessions off a server.

99.9% of Xsessions are between a client and server on the same machine.

Waypoint acknowledges that and aims to remove a minority interest that
leads to massive complexity, with something simpler faster and less
resource hungry.

I dont know if it will succeed, but that is the rationale.

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