@@> On Mar-25-98 Clarence Hogan wrote to David Martorana
 
 DM>> I become ever less certain of what a "real world" means;
 
 CH> All I can say in truth is that this is not the "real world" IMHO!
 CH> For in my limited understanding of it all, if this were the "real
 CH> world", I for one would not wish to live eternally in it under
 CH> the present circumstances that we are presented with and living in!
 
 CH> ......whatever is constantly changing cannot possibly be
 CH> rationalized as "real"!  And by the same token, I do not consider
 CH> my mind "real" so long as it is constantly changing, but once it
 CH> has settled in, so to speak, and has found the truth of the matter,
 CH> then and only then does it become a real and lasting mind!
 
  I don't know what "settled in"  means.       Reaching a point of
  satisfied knowing means ONLY THAT; NOT that the knowing has any more
  validity than before "settling in".  There is *NO* reference to define
  something true (gravity excepted) that satisfies all mentalities.
  I have the same problem with philosophers. They correlate a
  thousand elements of reality and conclude a homogenized view that
  essentially represents nothing! Though I favor a right to conclude,
  I cannot entertain more than just the right..... Though we
  might be some in conflict on this one point, I believe as the
  more honest Sophists, that all we can know IS relative, your notions
  to your belief system and mine to that ever changing dance of fragments
  (each usually available for argument).
 
 CH> But to my knowledge, there has been only one who has reached
 CH> the "real" realm of the mind and the rest of us are still trying
 CH> to reach that realm!
                          ..........your relative reference!
 
 DM>> Assuming we don't self destruct (or are so done in  by an unhappy
 DM>> first principal), I believe that the "concept edges" of reality will
 DM>> dominate and greatly expand in that coming world ....that we are
 DM>> in a short twilight about to enter what today we might render as
 DM>> alien ...an unknown mission?.
 
 CH> And IMHO you are truly not far from the truth of the matter if I
 CH> understand what you are saying!
 
     I *think* we are understanding what we are shouting across a
     very fragile bridge ......only we are both coming at it from
     behind a different tree ???
 
 CH> ....And although it appears confusing to us now, I firmly believe
 CH> that once we discover and realize what is truly "real" there will
 CH> be only good and no bad whatsoever!
 
     ... You wish !!!! on your best day !!!!
 
 CH> However, I am also aware that it is indeed a path of realization
 CH> that each of us must travel alone in this present realm which aids
 CH> in the elusiveness of it all but at the same time also aids in the
 CH> realization of it all!
 
    .....the words sound good .....a bit ahead of my logic!
 
 Satisfied that we both appreciate each where the other is coming from,
 we share the uncertainties that our present veiled "peek throughs"
 permit. We differ primarily in that extra apparent *PRESENCE* you have
 willingly absorbed into your knowability that remains beyond mine (for
 very good and reasonable arguments on both sides). Whereas I cannot
 deny your metaphysical insights, they do not fit into the best of my
 own conclusions. If, as we MIGHT agree, the "virtual reality" may be
 complex in that all of its elements seem not of a same nature. Some
 amongst the mini reality components may even be bent in our reasoning
 or even unknowable. Under such liberal speculations, "as always was" can
 become "what will be"  (even if never "has been before") especially if
 our clocks be at times inside out. As sci-fi seems presently a major
 force of ideas, driving science, then the idea of creating realities
 even takes on some epic possibles. This arena of "CREATED realities",
 whether an extension of some first principle agenda or "otherwise-ish"
 secret plans, presents itself as an area of exploratory concerns!
 .....a DYNAMIC seeming not comfortable within a context of philosophy
 which struggles to grasp and define a near static truth package.
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                            @@ ... Dave
 
 ....Are the stars placed in time and meaning willy-nilly or by design?
 ....To me, *ALL* of scientific or religious arguments sound anemic...!
--- Maximus/2 3.01
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