-=> Quoting Roland Balke to Jean Halverson <=-
 RB> In which case it's time to wire the bloody thing down. "Give us your
 RB> tired, your poor" was writ in a time where those selfsame tired and
 RB> poor worked hard  and overcame in order to obtain their liberty. 
 JH> snip---
 
 JH> Balke??? That's not a Native American name. So the son of immigrants
 JH> wants to ship all the immigrants back to their native lands? Bon
 JH> Voyage. 
 RB> No thanks I tend towrad seasickness. :) In any event I said NOTHING
 RB> about  shipping LEGAL immigrants back, just stopping the flow of
 RB> illegals. Deities  know that there are enough out of work military
 RB> em up on our south border. RKB
JH> Legal immigrant...according to whom? I'm sure the Native Americans 
JH>would call you and yours rather illegal. After all it wasn't their laws 
JH>that let your ancestors in. So where does that put you? 
JH> And about the south border, where is your outrage about the illegals 
JH>from Europe  and the Middle East? Your attitude reeks of the same type 
JH>of rhetoric that started the accursed quota system in the first place. 
JH>The first laws limiting immigration were aimed at the Chinese coming in 
JH>on the west coast and the Irish coming in on the East Coast. And this 
JH>was before the JH>start of those liberal social welfare programs. 
Ahem. Jean, let me jump right in on this subject, a subject I have a small 
amount of experience with.
By legal immigrant, Roland is referring to a legal status conferred by the 
Government of the United States upon an individual who has no justifiable 
claim to United States citizenship. As opposed to someone who is neither a 
"legal immigrant" nor a citizen of this country who either enters this 
country illegally, ie. without inspection (EWI) or overstays their 
authorized stay (overstay) or accepts gainful employment without legal 
authorization.
An introduction to Immigration Law 101, I see, is in order once again.
A. The term "immigrant" connotes legality since an immigrant came to this 
country with an immigrant visa, and is therefore, "legal". 
B. The term alien as defined by statute relates to someone born outside of 
the United States and who does not derrive citizenship.
C. The term "illegal alien" as defined by statute means any alien who is 
present in the United States in violation of law. That includes ANYONE from 
ANY other country, Canada included. This also includes those aliens who 
"immigrated" and who then ran afoul of the law while here (ie. committed a 
criminal act) and therefore makes them subject to removal.
D. The percentages of illegal aliens currently present in the United States 
IN VIOLATION OF LAW coming from "South of the Border" (ie. Latinos from 
Central and South America, including Mexico) far exceed those from other 
parts of the world. That is due to the close proximity between Mexico and 
the rest of Latin America and the United States. This is a fact, not an 
opinion based upon personal biases. 
What Roland was addressing was the ILLEGAL ALIEN problem. He is not, from 
what I've read, against LEGAL immigration. Or are you suggesting that it's 
justifiable for aliens to enter and remain in this country in violation of 
the law?
I'll take it one step further than Roland and will assuredly incur your 
ire. I believe that the Federation of Immigration Reform's (FAIR) policy 
that we should have a five year moratorium on LEGAL immigration is the 
correct course to take. We have been overwhelmed for many years. 
Application backlogs exist to the point where someone who applies to become 
a naturalized citizen in Denver, Colorado has to wait 23 months before 
their interview. And it's much worse in the major cities such as New York, 
Los Angeles, etc. 
We simply cannot absorb the record numbers of people who are coming to this 
country, both legally AND illegally. If you have a solution to this 
problem, I'd love to hear it. But rest assured that I along with my 
co-workers have looked at every possible solution. We just simply cannot 
continue at the pace we are currently experiencing. 
John , jnsampson@ibm.net 
 "To find reasonable doubt, one must first be capable of reason."
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