Reply-to: mikey@mail.iamerica.net
From: "MikeY" 
Newsgroups: 
            
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            s-magic
Organization: ET
Original Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:30:41 -0500
MikeY wrote:
> 
> Jackie,
> 
>         I was just shocked to find this reference to "spirits" in DID
> literature.  Especially the statement that some DID patients insist that
> certain alters "are" demons, and not alter-personalities.  Well, that is 
what
it
> said.  It all brings back memories, of my initial struggle, here.
> 
>         I am really enjoying this newsgroup, and feel that it has helped me
> tremendously, inside.  Of coarse, I still insist that my alters are not
> alters.  I do not believe in alter personalities, but believe them to be
> lying invading spirits.  Thats just what I believe, as I can only see
> this through my own eyes, so please understand that.
> 
>         Today, I am feeling concern for Timothy McVeigh.  Is this man MPD? 
If
> so, does he realize this, and should such a realization be brought to
> light that justice be more clearly served???  I suspect that he is.  I
> really do.  I am going to prepare a care-package for this man,
> containing MPD/DID/Spiritual/Ross/Hypnosis/ego-state-therapy literature, 
that
this man
> might look at such a possibility, that the truth be brought to light.
> Any who read this, might consider doing the same.  The death penalty is
> most probable, in his case, as the jury has been rigged, as not to have
> any jurors who oppose the death penalty.  If this man is MPD, and
> "losing time", I can only hope that my care-package might at least lift
> his heavy burden.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Jackie wrote:
> >
> > spoiler for *x*rc*sm refs
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> > 3
> > 4
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> > 6
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> > 8
> > 9
> > 10
> >         Hi Mikey
> >
> >         How so? I dont follow. Am I allowed to ask? Which bit is the 
lap?
The
> > bit where e'cisms dont remove alters, the bit where they've done harm,
> > or the bit where if the shrink gets to gether with the cl*rgy member
> > they might help the person together?
> >         I have a feeling my dictionary is not going to contain the word
> > syntonic. Why do shrinky people always use words that noone else would
> > ever use? Its not like there isnt a standard use word for every kind
> > of feeling or weirdness already. Its so darned classist. Imo.
> >
> >         NOJ
> >
> > MikeY  wrote:
> >
> > >Found this paragraph on the Ross Institute Diagnosis Guideline page.
> > >Believe me, after all of this, it is a slap in the face.
> >
> > >V. The Patient's Spiritual and Philosophical Issues
> >
> > >Like other victims of trauma by human agency, DID patients may
> > >struggle with questions of moral responsibility, the meaning of
> > >their pain, the duality of good and evil, the need for justice,
> > >and basic trust in the benevolence of the universe. When patients
> > >bring these issues into treatment, ethical standards for the
> > >various professional disciplines specify the need to conduct
> > >treatment without imposing one's own values on patients. Although
> > >patients may experience certain personalities as demons and as
> > >not-self, therapists should approach exorcism rituals with extreme
> > >caution. Exorcism rituals have not been shown to be an effective
> > >treatment for DID, have not been shown to be effective for "removing"
> > >alternate personalities, and have been found to have deleterious
> > >effects in two samples of DID patients that experienced exorcisms
> > >outside of psychotherapy. Exorcism rituals may provide a way for
> > >some patients to rearrange images of their personality systems in
> > >a culturally syntonic manner. Education and coordination between
> > >therapist and clergy can be helpful in ensuring that patients'
> > >religious and spiritual needs are addressed
> >
> > *******************************************
> > Nation of Jackie
> > this account borrowed from jcash
> > *******************************************
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