From: "Robert G Lewis" 


"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in message
news:44696c04{at}w3.nls.net...
> Robert G Lewis wrote:
>
>>> Because they already have a nationality. Jordan owned the West Bank till
>>> 67 thus the west bankers have a claim to Jordanian nationality. Even
>>> then though it's limited to those born before 67 & born in
the West Bank
>>> etc & not Gaza.
>>
>> So why do the arab nations deny the right of arabs born in palestine to
>> apply and become citizens ?
>>
>
> Because that would be rewarding Israeli ethnic cleansing. We gave asylum
> to Bosnians, Kosovars etc. We did not give them British nationality.

But would they have the same rights to apply to become British citizens ?
Why are Arab nations denying the rights of Arabs to become a citizen of an
Arab nation solely because of where they ( or their parents or
grandparents) were born ?

>
>>
>>>>> So If I am born in say in London & & grow up
in London & then I am
>>>>> forced to France by men with guns I am thus unable to
return to London
>>>>> even if I marry a Londoner?
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>> If you are an enemy of the New London country then why
should they let
>>>> you
>>>> in ?
>>>>
>>> Ah right just because I am an Arab I am an enemy? Interesting. This is
>>> the argument the White South Africans used too when they sent all the
>>> blacks to "their" bantustans. I take it you were in
favour of that too
>>> given how obviously Black africans born in say Johannesburg has no real
>>> claim to live in Johannesburg given they were black ergo they
were "an
>>> enemy" of the Republic van Suid Afrika.
>>
>> Not what I said. Notice the use of the word IF at the start of the
>> sentence.
>> I did not automatically declare you to be an enemy ( or an Arab for that
>> matter). Given the actions of the PLO , Hamas etc over the last 60 years
>> I
>> could understand why Israel may consider them enemies though. ( and even
>> why
>> the Arab nations consider Israel an enemy)
>>
>
> This law & the judgment on it do not start with an IF. If does not come
> into it.

Well given that your example was a hypothetical IF is highly appropriate.


>
>>
>>>> A lot of the countries in the world restrict who can enter, live and
>>>> become
>>>> citizens. I seem to recall one country sending its
citizens around the
>>>> world
>>>> to live.
>>>>
>>> Indeed. Not many restrict the list to those born there though
& who are
>>> currently grabbing land off those living there & then deciding that
>>> guess what...they can't come back coz dey is per se "the
enemy".
>>
>> Oh like the Arab countries and their Jewish citizens ? How many of the
>> Arab
>> nations still deny the existence of Israel ? Looked at any Saudi
>> textbooks
>> recently ?
>>
>
> How many Israeli text books deny the existence of Palestine? You have
> one piece of land. You have 2 groups claiming it all (& Israel does
> claim it all but is being forced to disgorge little bits). Assuming you
> support one side then it follows that the other side is not a real
> country etc.

Not really . One is a recognized nation with boundries, The other wants to
become one.

>
> Even now the West & Israel carry on with "the Palestinian
Areas", the
> "Palestinian Authority" etc.

Which seems reasonable given there is not a Palestinian nation/goverment
yet. Maybe they should start calling the areas Palestinian occupied areas
instead,forbid any contact with those areas etc.


>
>>> What's the OK determiner for you given it ain't where you, your parents
>>> etc are born etc? Skin colour? Religion? Ethnicity?
>>>
>>> Hey maybe you could ban Jews from the US even those born there coz of
>>> their religion, name etc. That sounds like it'd be fine by you.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>> Ah Adam , reading things that aren't there.
>>
>>
>
> Not at all. These people are being banned from living there basically
> because that is where they come from. They are being banned purely on
> the basis of ethnicity.  If they were Jewish they'd be given money to
> move there. But they're Arab & as such.....this is a white I mean Jewish
> area....
>
>
> Adam

Yes Adam I never said or suggested that it was correct or appropriate to
exclude because of religion race etc as you implied.  I will say that it
would be damn stupid to allow an individual in who wants to destroy your
country and your people ( and has a bit of history in that).

So when do you think the EU will start giving full citizenship to Turks
born in Germany ?

Bob Lewis

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