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echo: philos
to: CLARENCE HOGAN
from: DAVID MARTORANA
date: 1998-03-24 23:33:00
subject: `Boxes & awkward text`

 @@> On March 22-98 Clarence Hogan wrote to David Martorana                   
     Msg #798,
 @@> "Boxes & Awkward Text"
 
 DM>> Your world becomes simpler .....mine more complex.
 
 CH> IMHO, my world has become simpler due only to the fact that I have
 CH> finally realized that it is the best path to pursue, .......
 
                                       .......Yes! ........understood!
 
 CH> IMHO, all the knowledge that I require is that which will make my
 CH> present life the most agreeable and all other life around me just
 CH> as agreeable as mine, .......
                                       .......Yes! ........understood!
 
 DM> ...it would soon to becoming a KINGDOM  unto itself ....beyond
 DM>> present limits or imaginations.
 
 
 CH> But David, from what I have been able to understand about the virtual
 CH> world of the Internet's Cyberspace, has it not already reach the level
 CH> of the "HOLODECK" interaction with people and is it not already here?
 
   I become ever less certain of what a "real world" means; that
   somewhere in a mix of OUR perceptions and NATURE'S options,
   I am floating in a ~SOMETHING-SOMEWHERE~ package of limited
   sensing, at best only poetically clear (to me). As to your above
   comment "already reach...", it is correct to a point, but not
   explored beyond a comparison LIKE modern TV with a crystal radio.
   I would expect in the next few  years to converse with someone, not
   just across the presently configured cyberspace comms, but in a
   very special sense of synthesized physical reality [holodeck]-
   like meeting in a tavern in Nepal or on Mars, sitting down and
   having a conversation with real??? or "established" others. Assuming
   we don't self destruct (or are so done in  by an unhappy first
   principal), I believe that the "concept edges" of reality will
   dominate and greatly expand in that coming world ....that we are
   in a short twilight about to enter what today we might render as
   alien ...an unknown mission?.  I have no way of knowing the goods
   or bads of it all, or even if such concerns have meaning as we
   know them. As with many of our few dissimilar views , though
   the "REAL" in reality is reasonably clear to you, it is "big time"
   less so to me.
        There IS an extra awkwardness that WE face because of the
   belief systems we have adopted as our base of being and our
   understanding of the "whatevers" that contain us!  I do wonder
   that we can even share our exploratory notions without some
   "false-to-peacful" tensions .........some kindly but mutually
   incompatible work-of-words.  Never been real comfortable that
   dissimilar mind basics can be bridged (sure has had a rough
   history).
 
 CH> Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence.......
 
     Just another...........pain in the kingdom...@@..dave...........
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