In  "W. E. Woods"
  writes: 

> Jim McCulloch wrote:
> 
>> In article , csmkersh@flash.net
>> (Sam A. Kersh) wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, Jim, Jim, how careless with the truth you are.....  BTW, I did
>>> DejaNews you and BD and found one post only from 1994 through last
>>> week.
>> 
>> I have to say your research abilities are on a par with you ability
>> to fathom the mysteries of the syllogism, although they perhaps
>> exceed your abilities to understand that remarks in an article
>> attacking Kleck's methods are not pro-Kleck.
>> 
>> Specifically, limiting a DejaNews power search to posts by
>> mcculloch@mail.utexas.edu, and searching on "branch davidian" I
>> get 8 hits.  Searching on "koresh" I get 9 hits.  Searching on
>> "waco" I get 34 hits, all but two or three of which seem to be
>> about the assault on the Branch Davidian compound.  Since there
>> is some overlap, I would guess that I have written about 30 posts
>> that make clear my detestation of the government's actions in Waco.
>> 
>> Give it another try, Sam.
>> 
>> And after you have improved your research skills, go back and read
>> that article again, and tell me how the criticisms of Kleck found
>> there there differ from those I made.  Hint: I made no criticism
>> of Kleck that was not found in the article you quoted as pro-Kleck.
>> 
>>> And, yes, you did defend the Davidians stand.  Wonder why you think
>>> it's ok for the Davidians to defend themselves against assault by
>>> the federal government but insist that Gordon R. Hale was a
>>> murderer for defending himself against the assault by Mr. Tavai.
>> 
>> As far as anyone knows Mr. Hale's car was not initially riddled by
>> a fusillade from Mr. Tavai, or fired on by machine guns from Mr.
>> Tavai's helocopters {SIC}, in the course of a military style
>> assault.  Mr. Tavai's initial assault did not kill a bunch of Hale's
>> passengers,  nor was Mr. Hale's car beseiged by Mr. Tavai for many
>> weeks, deprived of food and water and ultimately filled with tear
>> gas and  crunched by Mr. Tavai's tanks and set on fire, nor did Mr.
>> Hale and his remaining 80 or 90 passengers get burned alive in the
>> car.  Mr. Hale in fact survived with minor injuries, none of which
>> were visible to police or witnesses at the scene.
>> 
>> The only person who had, or used, a gun in the Hale incident, was
>> Mr. Hale.
>
> Would that be the Mr. Hale who was being severely beaten by
> Mr. Tavai, and who suffered permanent injury from the beating?
> "At the scene" is quite immaterial in such a case regarding
> injuries. Many take some time to become visible, if at all.

 I would suggest Mr. McCulloch find some Samoan wrestler-sized
 person (as was Kenny Tavai) and let him beat him unmercifully
 about the head and upper body area: _then_ come back and say
 he's glad he (McCulloch) didn't have a gun with which to defend
 himself. THEN his protestations might have weight.

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>    "It is dangerous to be right    
>   when the government is wrong."   
> 	--Voltaire	
>
>    "If no one is shooting at you,
>  you have nothing to complain about.
>     If someone is, shoot back." 
>               --Curt Rich

 --John Johnson/TX Peace Officer (16+ Years) supporting the
   Texas and U.S. Constitutions, the BoR, the 2ndAmnd and the RKBA

 "Gun Control: the political AIDS of a free society"
 --Ian Underwood, 13Sep98

 "Five years after permitting law-abiding citizens to carry guns,
 10 states found that their murder rates dropped by an average of
 15 percent, rape by 9 percent, and robberies by 11 percent.
 The likelihood of a mass shooting in those states dropped from
 75% to zero. ... It's hard to be enthusiastic about a weapon of
 death, but facts are facts: Guns save lives."
 --Gazette; Schenectady, NY  7/13/98

 "I lobbied against the law in 1993 and 1995 because I thought
 it would lead to wholesale armed conflict. That hasn't happened.
 All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn't happen.
 No bogeyman. I think it has worked out well, and that says good
 things about the citizens who have permits. I am a convert.",
 --Glenn.White, President of the 2,350-member Dallas Police Association
   in a Dallas Morning News interview 12/23/97

 "(I'm) eating a lot of crow on this issue. It isn't something
 I necessarily like to do, but I am doing it on this."
 --John Holmes, Harris County District Attorney on the success
   of the TxCHL program

 "...I haven't seen an instance of persons with permits causing
 violent crimes, and I'm constantly on the lookout."
 --John Fuller, general counsel for the Florida Sheriffs Association
   on Florida's successful Concealed Handgun Licensing program

 "As Professor Lott discovered, gun ownership deters crime.
 But what will deter liberals? Certainly not the facts.
 They have too much invested in their vision of themselves
 as the saviors of us all."
 --Thomas Sowell, June 29, 1998
-- 
 John Johnson
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