"TomHendricks474"  wrote in message
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> >You're playing word games and/or creating strawman arguments,
> >methinks, Tom.  I'd guess everyone agrees that the sun was an
> >energy source on the earth. Call it what you will, but at point in
> >time T, there was no life; while at point in time T', there was life
>
> No you are defining life as something unique that emerged
> at some specific point in time.

And with yours, life never emerged, not at any "point" (or period) of time?

> I'm saying its something that developed as a response to the heat cycle.
> They are not alike at all.

OK.  But if life developed here, I too think it developed as a result of the
sun, as I've indicated before.  (Truth be told, if I had to put money on it,
I'd guess for some form of panspermia, as far as Earth is concerned.)

> I would think you would define life as either replicating - or
> metabolism or cell or something else.
> I say all that is part of chemical response to a heat cycle.
> We really are 180 degrees apart.

This is the crux of our difference, ISTM.  You cook up a fully developed,
replicating non-animate object with all the attributes of life before there
is life, while I cook up a simple living replicator which evolves things
like cells.

Even here with your scenario, at point in time T, there was no life; while
at point in time T', there was life (note that I have never stated any value
for T' > T).  Your scenario just places that time further along the process
and worsens the odds, IMO.

> You suggest the sun was a PART.
> I suggest life was a PART of the sun cycle.
> How different can we get?

Logically, this means that life was a 100% certainty with the sun's
presence(?)

> Without the sun, you won't have liquid water, chemical reactions
> that lead to all these qualities, monomers etc.

Is anyone arguing for a "no sun" scenario?  .

> If we could, then life could start in space or at absolute zero or in the
> center of the sun.

?  Regards, Brett

> We really really really are talking about two different paradigms
completely.
>
>
>
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