++> From intercept between Relatif Tuinn & Day Brown                         
     Msg #825,
 ++> on  Logical impasse   [""A Philosophy of Chaos""]
 
 DM>> Would you be suggesting that the God/Creation-factor HAS limits
 DM>> BECAUSE She employs compression or simplification techniques
 DM>> which would be unnecessary in omnipotent circles ... ?  (Of
 DM>> course She could use such clever tricks for FUN!) ...yes?
 
 DB>> All of that. also, for us to have free will, we must be acting out  of
 DB>> that, and not the will of god... which therefore, is a limit on  the
 DB>> will of God.
 
 DB>> I still wonder sometimes if it is that God herself, suspends the
 DB>> disbelief so that She does not know what will happen next... so
 DB>> as to enjoy the show.  Or if Chaos, is as represented, truely a
 DB>> random force, beyond even the will of God.
 
             ......deterministic chaos ?????????
 
 RT> This is similar to David Hume's argument which goes something
 RT> like this:
 
  > "Deists claim that god is benevolent and omnipotent.
 
  > There is evil in the world.
 
  > If evil is gods plan then he is not benevolent.
 
  > If evil is not gods plan then he is not omnipotent.
 
  > God cannot be both benevolent and omnipotent if evil exists.
        ^^^^^^
  I believe Hume was limited by his "mind-time" in history which
  reflects "some of"  his associated leanings to observe........
 
  1. The term, "cannot" is awkward when approaching unknown logic
     systems.
 
  2. "Evil" is an under simplified term of convenience (heavy on
     instinct and emotions) and not yet available as a serious
     component of reasoning..... ;;
 
  3. Even "omnipotent" & "benevolent" sounded better of meaning
     a century ago.
                               ;;
                           ... oo ... Dave
                              "''"
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