From: "Adam Flinton" 

 Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum - Vegetius (Epitoma Rei
Militaris)

Short version:

Si vis pacem, para bellum

http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thela
tinlibrary.com/vegetius3.html

para bellum gave it's name to a make of german machinegun.. (parabellum)

Adam

"Thees Peereboom"  wrote in message
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> Will,
>
> It was not the fact in itself that made me react, but the fact that
> you based you reaction on communism, while there are so many other
> sources that would support your original claim.
>
> Von Clausewitz, Sun Tsu, etc. all direct in the same direction, 'who
> wants peace, prepares himself to war'.
>
> - Thees Peereboom
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:20:00 -0500, "William F. Zachmann"
>  wrote:
>
> >The principle is correct, Thees, even though it's relation to Communism
is
> >as tenuous as it is non-essential.  Major changes in social/political
> >alignments, historically, come from (or, at any rate, are effectively
> >mediated by), military superiority.  That may very well have social,
> >political, philosophical, religious, moral, spiritual, or whatever
aspects,
> >but all of the above, more often than not, also need military advantage.
> >Muslims understand that quite well, as even a quite superficial study of
> >Islamic history clearly shows.  Cultures (in the broadest possible sense)
> >unable to achieve military success do not very often leave much behind.
And
> >when cultures do have influence despite contemporary military weakness,
that
> >influence is generally founded on prior military successes (e.g. the
Greeks
> >after Roman dominion was established; Islamic culture after the Mongol
> >conquests; and so forth).
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >will
> >
> >"Thees Peereboom"  wrote in message
> >news:cvl17v8fcp6m3e4a81555mejpg4rj5h6ef{at}4ax.com...
> >> Will,
> >>
> >> It's quite obvious why one would cite from such a succesfull concept
> >> as communism.
> >>
> >> - Thees Peereboom
> >>
> >> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:20:06 -0500, "William F. Zachmann"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >Depends on the relative retaliatory capacities of the participants.
As
> >an
> >> >old Chinese philosopher once said [reaching for my 1966
first edition
> >copy
> >> >of his 'little red book']:
> >> >
> >> >Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political
power grows out of
the
> >> >barrel of a gun."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6,
1938), Selected Works,
> >Vol.
> >> >II, p. 224.
> >> >Mao understood that quite well.  So (luckily) does President Bush.
And
> >Tony
> >> >Blair does, too.  Can't say as much for the French.
> >> >
> >> >All the best,
> >> >
> >> >will
> >> >
> >> >"Adam Flinton" 
wrote in message
> >> >news:3e703a34$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> >> >> & then others get even back & you get even
back again & then others
get
> >> >even
> >> >> back again &  the circle repeats.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Adam
> >> >>
> >> >> "William F. Zachmann"
 wrote in message
> >> >> news:3e6fc782$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> >> >> > We don't get mad, Phil.  We get even.  Get used to it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Phil Payne"
 wrote in message
> >> >> > news:3E6E4DF8.F849C266{at}isham-research.com...
> >> >> > >
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/10/congress.france.ap/
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Despite plenty of criticism of
France's resistance to U.S.
> >military
> >> >> > action
> >> >> > > in Iraq, Congress so far has done little
to move legislation
> >punishing
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > country for its anti-war stance."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > PUNISHING?!?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > >   Phil Payne
> >> >> > >   http://www.isham-research.com
> >> >> > >   +44 7785 302 803
> >> >> > >   +49 173 6242039
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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