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echo: philos
to: DAVID MARTORANA
from: CLARENCE HOGAN
date: 1998-03-22 14:54:00
subject: `Boxes & Awkward Text`

 -=> Quoting David Martorana to Clarence Hogan <=-
 ++> On March 15 Clarence Hogan wrote to
 ++> David Martorana on "Boxes & Awkward Text"
 
 CH>> Hey, even the best of friends don't agree on everything, but they
 CH>> don't try to smother one another by trying to put them in a box
 CH>> either, right?
 
 CH> From the "?" it looks like I have done it again and assumed too
 CH> much of my reader!  :'(  So will try to be more specific as to
 CH> what I meant by trying to put one another in a box!
 
 CH> We do agree and IMHO the key words are "always open on top", whereas
 CH> my frame of reference was to a "closed" box (not air tight to
 CH> suffocate the occupant but sound proof to keep him quiet till we
 CH> want or need him to speak)!  Of course much more could be discussed
 CH> on this subject, but I feel that you are aware of all the
 CH> ramifications!
 
 DM> ......Yes ...NOW aware !
 I was hoping that would be sufficient!  
  
 DM>> The general field of pagan roots that fed into early Christianity
 DM>> is vast enough to employ lifetimes. I have found that the more I
 DM>> poke into what can be known, the less I feel comfortable to know
 DM>> and judge.
 
 CH> We agree on the first sentence, but IMHO it is easily sifted out
 CH> through the pages of The Bible!  Well, I also did for a time, until
 CH> it dawned on me that it was indeed my place to judge within my own
 CH> limits of understanding...
  
 DM> Your world becomes simpler .....mine more complex. By the time we
 DM> pass on, you would know at least "all-so-needed"  .....I, nothing
 DM> (or close to it)! ...and yes!  in a strange, perhaps alien sense,
 DM> we would both be ....satisfied at our best!
 
 IMHO, my world has become simpler due only to the fact that I have
 finally realized that it is the best path to pursue, for IMHO, to
 seek much knowledge is nothing more than a weariness of the flesh
 and is truly not needed in this life, for it indeed only succeeds
 in complicating it and brings with it many woes that are completely
 unnecessary to our existence here!  I have finally learned to enjoy
 what is for what it is without trying to figure out why it is the
 way it is and trying to complicate something that is working fine
 just as it is by trying to change it or trying to make it better,
 while all along truly making it worse in the process of such venture
 not only interfering with it's simple existence and tranquility,
 but mine as well!  Did all that come out right?  ;)
 IMHO, all the knowledge that I require is that which will make my
 present life the most agreeable and all other life around me just
 as agreeable as mine, for in order for us to survive, it seems to
 me that all other life must survive also and since we are all stuck
 on the space ship called earth together, if we do not work together
 to insure our mutual survival, will we not all eventually become
 extinct by slowly and eventually destroying one another through our
 interference with each other's tranquility of our now present 
 existence which has done just fine for at least 6000 years now with
 the exception of such interferences?  As the saying goes, if it 
 ain't broke, don't be trying to fix it!  :)  Of course there are
 different strokes for different folks, but I do many times wonder
 about some of those different strokes!  ;)
 
 DM>> P.S. I might add that most ALL the non orthodox Christian-ish
 DM>> works are also available on the WWW, ...
 
 CH> I already had that in the back of my mind when I purchased this
 CH> new PC so I could get on the Internet......
 
 DM> Yes! The internet is one HELL of a virtual resource and still
 DM> just an infant.  it would soon to becoming a KINGDOM
 DM> unto itself ....beyond present limits or imaginations.    That
 DM> Day Brown's next generation "HOLODECK" *childhood beginning* is
 DM> not far off and will descend on us without most of us ever
 DM> realizing it to happen. One day it will just be!!!!  I also
 DM> believe the resultant HAPPENSPHERE (SS New Jerusalem?) would
 DM> sail beyond good/bad measure ....and into unknowable wonder
 DM> (hopefully pleasant if the term & condition would even be left
 DM> to our experience or consideration).  NOTE: What seems likely
 DM> and logical to me, is oft *NOT* shared !!!    !!!
 
 But David, from what I have been able to understand about the virtual
 world of the Internet's Cyberspace, has it not already reach the level
 of the "HOLODECK" interaction with people and is it not already here?
 Yup, the NOTE has been taken note of and IMHO, what is logical to a
 few of us is pure madness to many others and they could never be 
 satisfied in a REAL world, now could they?
  
 DM> P.S. In addition to INTERNET religious archives ---
 DM> Though I DON'T ever recommend entering the "Holysmoke" echo, I
 DM> do find much to learn (*as LURKER*) from its more serious
 DM> exchanges. I have often picked up leads on religious material
 DM> still new to me ....as well as (technical) explorable views (from
 DM> both sides) ....even more, the sources are often given. Through it
 DM> I have been, introduced to works, identified, located and read
 DM> that I might never have even known to exist........??
 Well, I have spent my tour on the "Holysmoke" echo and I was thrown
 off for quoting an accurate verse of Scripture, for apparently the
 devil just did not know how to counteract that modus operandi and
 was afraid that it was about to generate too many questions that he
 would be unable to answer!  ;)  And yes, even a small pearl or two
 could even be picked up in there as I have always said that if the
 devil would write a "Bible", I would be the first to read it, for it
 would indeed be a worthwhile read to discover exactly what a man
 must NOT do in order to gain eternal salvation for he would undoubtedly
 give away some of his most cherished secrets in his continued pitiful
 attempt to draw The Father's children away from Him!
 IMHO, just as too little knowledge can hurt a person, so also can too
 much knowledge completely destroy a person, would you not agree?
Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence.......
... Isn't it wonderful how our Father blesses us in spite of ourselves?
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