Jane Kelley On (04 Jan 97) was overheard to say to Bob Moylan
BM> You admit your ignorance then regarding ADD/ADHD but still insist on
 JK> I've also posted information on ADHD obtained from NAMI,
 No you didn't.  You posted your interpretation of a NAMI blurb about
 schizophrenia.
 JK> one journal for adolescent counselors, and the research from
 JK> Dr. Neher.
 No you have not.  You have made several, hell, MANY, comments about
 what you say these sources have reported on.  Not once have you given
 a citation or even the name of the journal.  That is not posting
 information that is nothing more or less than hearsay.
 JK> I would think that is not ignorance and I am not admitting anything.
 It is not a demonstrable indication of knowledge of the subject
 either;  I really do not expect you to admit to not knowing something.
 JK> There are so called experts in mental health and allied matters that I
 JK> don't believe, have never believed and will never believe.  Got
 JK> permission to do that as a student nurse around 1951 by a doctor at
 JK> St. Elizabeths Hospital in Washington, D.C. with a Vienese accent.
 Gee Jane I am impressed as all hell.  Thirty-six years ago you were a
 student nurse in DC.  There have been tremendous advances in mental
 health care since then, too bad you haven't bothered to stay current.
 Thirty-six years ago doctors barely acknowledged the existence of
 nurses let alone give them permission to do anything besides breathe.
 JK> He delighted in having the residents do case studies on someone who had
 JK> been a patient there for 20 or 30 years, then would rip apart what had
 JK> been said.  His point was that when someone is misdiagnosed no proper
 JK> treatment is provided and the patient remains sick forever.
 Well this Viennese doctor was a horse's ass then if he knew he had
 patients who had been incarcerated for 20 or 30 years with a
 misdiagnosis and did nothing about it but use them to taunt
 residents.  What's YOUR point in relating this ancient history?
 JK> The experts in MENTAL ILLNESS who have a background in hard science
 JK> and who are into brain chemistry, brain imagry, and the other modern
 JK> technical knowledge used for a definitive diagnosis have, on the other
 JK> hand, my complete and total respect.
 LEARN from them then.
 JK> Diagnosis begins with a proper history.
 That I have no argument with.
 JK> That takes time, more than the cursory exam that most folks get today
 JK> when they go to any doctor's office.
 What are you saying here?  That every time I or one of mine goes to
 see a doc (and we have been seeing the same ones for a number of
 years) that he or she should take a complete history.  Come on now.
 I've been referred to specialists for this and that over the years
 and not one of them needed to take a history...you know why Jane?
 Because my regular doc already provided all that information to them
 ahead of time.
 If some one presents with complaints of a common cold or the flu,
 that cursory exam you so denigrate addresses the presenting symptoms
 there's no need for a history going back 3 or 4 generations to see if
 some ancestor also MAY have had a cold or the flu.  Your statements
 are too broad and sweeping and, as usual have nothing to to with
 ADD/ADHD.
... Cats remind us that not everything in Nature has a purpose.
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