"Jim McGinn"  wrote in message
>
> Where did you get this notion that, "NS only works if
> the allele contributes to its own chance of survival?"
> I'm completely unaware of any rule, law, or principle
> that would allow you to make such a claim.
>
OK stop there. Are you using the term "natural selection" in this sense?

"If I have a big bucket of beans of different sizes, and take some of them
out with a scoop, that is natural selection because a natural process is
selecting some of them?"

Or would you restrict it to this sense?

"If I have a big bucket of beans of diffferent sizes and take some of them
out with a sieve, so that smaller beans will tend to fall out, that is
natural selection because the bigger beans are being selected for."
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