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to: Jim Holsonback
from: Charles Angelich
date: 2002-12-28 02:41:06
subject: Word Trade Center dust

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Hello Jim - 

JH> For any here who may wish to be a bit more scientific than
JH> some of the seemingly foolish prattling recently posted
JH> here, and who might want to learn more about that huge
JH> cloud of dust which came at time of WTC collapse, and dust
JH> stirred up during cleanup, a simple Google search on - 

JH> "World Trade Center dust" - 

JH> will turn up a number of informative publications and news
JH> articles. 

JH> With a brief session there, I learned a lot. Here's a
JH> distillation, from the conclusions I arrived at after that
JH> admittedly brief research. 

JH> Of a group of surveyed areas, only two small areas were
JH> found to have enough level of asbestos dust fibers to
JH> require remediation.  (when they do asbestos remediation,
JH> the workers wear moon suits). 

JH> Some of the spray-on fireproofing used on WTC steel was
JH> found to contain about 20% of asbestos fibers, but those
JH> were the "serpentine" type fibers, generally not considered
JH> to be as dangerous as other type asbestos fibers, due to
JH> their large size. 

You failed to mention why they are not considered as dangerous.
Supposedly people can cough them up from their lungs. Nothing
said they won't be inhaled nor that they can't embed themselves
in people's lungs. 

JH> The serpentine type includes some with fibers so long they
JH> could be (and were) woven into cloth. I saw no indication
JH> that this type material was any sort of large contributor
JH> to the "dust" problem. The two small areas where asbestos
JH> remediation was done due to the dust, this wasn't the type
JH> of fibers they were trying to clean up. 

JH> In the dust layers which settled, the particles most
JH> commented upon, and which are/were known to be capable of
JH> causing respiratory problems, were 

JH> dust from pulverized constituents of concrete, including
JH> silica dust from pulverized constituents of gypsum plaster
JH> and wallboard dust from pulverized products containing
JH> glass fibers 

You missed some fire retardant chemicals that were mentioned in
other articles you did not read? 

JH> All of these forms of dust are known "hazardous" materials,
JH> able to cause respiratory illness when inhaled in quantity,
JH> and at least the first two have components which are
JH> suspected carcinogens. 

JH> Other good terms for info searches include silicosis and
JH> asbestosis. 

JH> But only look into this kind of thing if you'd like to try
JH> and learn some of the facts, 

I've been reading articles but with a twist. I don't
automatically assume that if it is in print "it must be so". 

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-hswtc1226,0,2912369
 

I had this URL saved to post here AMOF. It somewhat agrees with
your synopsis but adds a few carcinogens to the list. I'm not
saying this article speaks for me nor that I accept their
results carte blanche. It does point out that they _are_ aware
there were hazardous materials (to humans) within the structure. 

JH> rather than blindly accepting "blame the rich capitalists"
JH> type theorizing. 

You probably have no knowledge of the Astor family history or
how they came to be as rich as they are. I do. It began with
selling guns and whiskey to the American Indians. Neat huh? The
man who wrote the book about rich American families and their
skeletons was never sued and the book was reprinted three
times. Go figure? 

That Mr. Ford backed the Nazi party was common knowlege at one
time and at least one of the major oil companies in the USA did
too (openly). 

Here in Michigan the military was called out to the Buick plant
in Flint Michigan to put down a strike and shot and killed men
who were striking for better wages. 

Etc. etc. etc. ... you may know building materials but you do
not seem to know the rich. 

That someone did something these 'terrorists' could not forget
nor forgive is quite obvious. I was not me, nor you, nor anyone
we know. They did not do this out of boredom. Someone started
this mess and from the recent target(s) I would say it was the
rich-and-powerful (powerful being our government - the failed
target). 

Future generations may some day know what started this when it
is too late to punish the real instigators. Meanwhile blameless
persons have had to die and how many more to satisfy those who
plot in safety? 

Here's more reading: 

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978598.html 

Just relax, everything is fine. The rich and powerful watch
over you and keep you. 

Sorry to be so harsh but you don't need to badger me to make a
point. 

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