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echo: philos
to: DAY BROWN
from: MARK BLOSS
date: 1998-03-22 21:31:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

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>Day Brown wrote to Mark Bloss about "Existence Exists"
 MB> man-made.  
 MB>  
 MB>  The Bible does not teach anything of the sort.  It does say that 
 MB> God's 
 MB>  creation is perfect - but man has invented many imperfections.  I 
 MB> don't see that as contradictory at all. 
 DB> Perhaps I am confusing interpretation with what it says Mark; I 
 DB> have heard enough sermons on the corruption of the flesh and the 
 DB> earth in general to think that that was the Biblical idea. 
 
 The corruption of the flesh is a human invention.  And yes it is in
 the Bible - but it is spelled out as a human invention - else, why
 preach a sermon on it?
 
 Don't confuse metal rusting and the rotting of dead animals with the
 corruption of the flesh.  Corruption of the flesh is the result of
 sin - not the cause of it.  And among them are poverty, wars,
 famine, and even the pain of childbirth is supposed to be a result of 
 sin.  
 DB> Although, I see it as contradictory that man, who was created by 
 DB> God, could 'invent' imperfection.  If we're created in God's image 
 DB> as Genisis says, it would follow that we also would be perfect. I 
 DB> myself, do not see any evidence that creation is perfect, nor do I 
 DB> see that God is. Perhaps you have some proof?  I am afraid that it 
 DB> will not be adequate to quote scriptural opinion, because I do not 
 DB> regard that as perfect either. 
 
 Neither is a sparrow perfect, in the sense that a sparrow can understand
 the politics of Washington, or comprehend the mathematics to float
 a ship on the water, or travel to the moon.  But does this make the 
 sparrow less of a sparrow?  The sparrow - is as a sparrow was made to be,
 and therefore is a perfect sparrow.  We are what we are - because it is
 what we were made to be.  And in the "image of God" is not that we are
 perfect like God is perfect - but that we are self-conscious beings,
 able to decide an action based upon a moral decisiveness (called the
 Will); that we are governors and lords of our own destinies and
 circumstances; and our words have the power of life and death.  No 
 sparrow has these things.  We are gods in our individual circumstances.
 We decide to act, or not to act.  We decide to say, or not to say.
 We have instinct, but are capable of ignoring it or overruling it, the
 sparrow cannot.
 
 Yet is it not possible that our consciousness is to a greater
 consciousness, as the sparrow's is to ours?
 DB> It is not that I say that God *cannot* be perfect, but that She 
 DB> saw that to allow me a truly free will, She had to sacrifice some 
 DB> perfection in me, and creation.  Imperfection is more interesting. 
 Yes - I can agree with this - that allowing a word-producing mammal to
 form was a big risk.   It was no sacrifice, however, to allow 
 imperfections - because, (and here's a cryptic comparison) what _is_ 
 gravity without the black holes? 
... If a man can conquer his own darkness, he can defeat any enemy.
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