From: wildwings@peconic.net
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling
Organization: I-2000 Inc., Internet Services
Original Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:50:48 GMT
Psychic Relationship between workers of the Light
this will explain the relationship between a Mentor and an Apprentice,
and May heaven and Hell help them, both,
You see, whatever part of society you are raised in 
has a very strong effect on you and where and
Who as you mentor, you flow too, 
over and over, but on the other hand there
is others like me who have changed history's
plan and went over to another higher? hmmm
dont know, but more pleasant path? dont know
that, either, but anyway this poem explains the
 dynamics of the relationship of the Guru/mentor
and the Chela/student, and it is very very 
intense, the path I have taken is the 
Path of Love and the Path of Earth
which is the Path of Sorcery and the
Warrior"s search for Truth and knowledge...
it does definately have to do with mental
telepathy, my friend and may the Forces
be with us today and forever....
The  Crow and the Raven
Dialog between a Guru, and his loved One
Please forgive the incoherency at times,
because, this dialog is in the head, and heart,
and soul and,there is music with rhythm involved, 
it reviews the data, and adds much more thoughts.
Hi there,
I have noticed the same thing, not only
on this list but on another list, the
kundalini-l@execpc.com, and around
certain friends who have this Indian
studies about them or they are Indian, so
my feelings of this moment is that the 
Rainbow Tribes are being collected together,
I have no idea what Celestine Prophecy is about,
but my inner Guru Carlos Castaneda,told me to buy the book, even,
though I was reluctant,
I did, and gosh, I was surprised to find out,that, the
author was inspired by Carlos Castaneda, and then,
I wonder, just, how much, because, it is a comfort 
and a bain, to know that he, CC intends, something for all his
children of Love...
 I am sure that maybe, the author, of this book, Celistine Prophecy,
may have some idea, of what my condition described, below, is all
about, because of the nature of his Vision Quest...Big Smile...  :}0-
the Guru can have a sense of humor...
 (I know, it sounds Nuts, big time. But, it is happening to me. It
takes Courage, to be doing this path, I 
thought, I was just becoming Scitzo, all of a sudden, out of the Deep
Blue, but,then, I realized that, if, 
I was on the Shamanic Path, that, this naturally induced, perhaps,
over a long, long, period of time,
since birth, my Friend.  It may have a Karmic nature
about it, this, is not clear to me, because, I don't have the Reality,
yet, on the nature of Karmic Relationships,with the undying Souls of
Nature, the Guru, theycould even be breeding our race, subtly,if you
will, to have proper "containers" or carriers of their Essence, to
keep an Eagle's Eye on the Resources of our earth, so, that when the
time came to make the big Changeover of Evolution, there would be some
Gurus, and their Rainbow Warriors with the Solution,
Resist and Desist! Stop and Start, which is a Way
 of making Change, big time, for it is creating
energy to burn the rubbish and energy to create
the Phoenix of Love, the Spirit, anew...
And, I tell you I don't understand what that means,
 but, it just means, I have alot more to learn about this. Learning
the Path of the  Warrior of the Mind,  and,with Heart, is hard, it is
a breathing, an in, and an out, it is the movement, and dexterity of
the mind, it is certain, to happen all the time, that you, may run
into One, more apt, than you, with the skills honed
up, more true. But, if He, or you don't let Him, destroy 
you, or, your ego, entirely. Then, you have Mastered the day, and,
while you are licking your wounds, you can contemplate your station,
of sitting at the Guru's feet, while, He is Being moved Himself, by
his Guru, and, so, it goes up the line of Gurus, through the 
wild blue yonder, a God, within a God,within a God, within a God for
Infinity.
 It, the God in you, starts growing in the (your) Devotee's Heart,
moving you around like a Chess piece,that is to be transformed
 when it gets to the other side of the board,it could be 
anything, you could imagine,or more, if you let
your guru, hold you inside , and squeeze you until
you hurt, for this makes you hold more energy that
is light and makes for more rapid transformation. You are learning the
trade,baby, but, I know you,~V~
or Ravin' Raven, the animal I named you, you are
 the best of the litter,of mankind, because, you don't care too much,
about the critical  thoughts of others, but, also don't want to break
the reality of the ones  coming up, and, at the same time, you want to
comfort
 the ones, who, have had a wrestle with their inner
Angels, the Guru,don't dispair his eyes are still on you, because, I
am,told that the Guru maycome 
and go in your life, or come heavily, and
then go, or come, when your are dying, or come not
at all, because, you are fine, and, or, not readyto be consumed by the
love of God, so,
this is interesting, because, He said to me He is with
me for eternity, and I wonder at this, and it gives me
great happiness, and mixed feelings, for, I have found that, I have
been with the Spirit of don Juan, all my life. So, Ideally, it is
wonderful to have a Guru,
 but,it can be a true pain in the side, and the
ass, and let me take that word back, for, I am not
the originator of that word, or this writing, but, I will take credit
for the experiencing of it.You see,I have a choice in the matter,
because I care so much to be helping, the grand evolutionary march
of the centuries, I do this, because, I seem to be 
maid to do it the Maidservant of the Heavens if you
will....If some people bravely lay claim to have 
been trained in the arts of a Spiritual Master,
and they don't quite fit your mold,they dont care muchfor rejection,
but they love their Guru so much
they lose their false ego very very quickly. They are tested and
tested over and over until they have the skills that are needed for
their kind of God's Work on this earth.....One more thing if you seem
to think
there is a disparity about the personality and
appearance of the inner Guru it is used to teach
the Chela and the desciple that God is in charge
and not you, and if He seems to have different
natures with men women and children of the
spirit it is because he is your father mother 
sister and brother or whoever it was in your
life that was your Allie and this I say carefully
for when the Guru says it to his Baby sitting at
his feet he means Trouble with a big T. because
he will pick your weakest defense and pick and 
pick on it like Odin's stomach where he is tied to a tree on the edge
of a cliff,or hung upside down like the tarot card of Surrender, the
Hanged Man, and the Eagle Hanging on by the Claws of His feet
(theGuru) 
gouged out his stomach, his ego....
One word, on where a Devotee stands in relationship 
to his Guru, and God, if He is very very close, He will
seem incoherrent, according to His Spiritual abilities, both,
inherited, and developemental, and, if He is a bit away from his Guru,
He will seem more coherent
and clear minded.
 Unless, He IS mature, in respect to being able to handle the
Intensity of the Quality of the Revelation given to Him, and the
Infinity revealed by the Guru of Love, and Doing it. But,on the other
hand , a mature Devotee can have His time of incoherency,
also,because, He is probably,happily, too close to His Guru,
and, then,perhaps, He will duck out of engagements, ha, and
He has a Love in-instead, with the line of the Gurus
both, in back, and ahead, and, this, may tell you how
 the excess energy is used,maybe as Intended Prophecy for the future
good of the Universe, in all Ways.the altered shamanic states
 of humans caused by drugs and or religion,or Guru, with the intensely
lit up voices that may lie deep in our subconscious have gotten loud
enough for me 
 to hear them via the raising of the mother 
earth energy within us, stimulated perhaps by
 the grace of our Guru and Master Teacher.
Now, we then learn to manage the noise, the jetliner
sound, the music, the chanting, the many voices,
the sound of waters, the legions of spirits, and
anything else, the Guru will conjure up and throw at you.
He rearranges all your inner furniture, and throws
alot out, He makes you look at things you don't want
 to,that are painful. He causes you to do things which
can and will be embarrassing. and He trains you in the Magical and
Spiritual Arts, while counseling you,
and making Trouble, with a capital T, in your life at the same time.
He is like a Master playwriter, who invents the story
of your life, and stage directs it, too, making sure
you, play your part well.. He is God to you,and everyone else around
you, and this explains why we disciples take off and run, for we dont
like to see the life around us come crashing down, of our loved ones,
just because we are radio carriers of the Eagles of Love, He is cause
over everthing around you, now, what to do? Just endure it, and the
best part yet, will
 come to you, for you need a Master to help
you make your life on earth what ever it is, you 
set out to do, if it is doing God's will, then heaven
 and earth cannot help you,  for the earth is a 
jealous God too, and Pan is my witness, with all
 the other ancient Gods, too.What God are you 
thinking of? 
Hades, Shiva, the Gods of distruction
and Rebirth by the Phoenix of Love,time with no beginning and an
end.(The Eagle and the Phoenix)
The Love of God, change...
or the Sustainer, Vishnu, Krishna, Christ, the
Lamb and the Lion, Peace, time with no beginning
and no end. the Stalking of God...
Or the God Of Eternity, Brahma, the Creator,
time with a beginning and no end.
Ganesh the creator of space and time,and earth.and
all things of abundance. The Intention of God.
Or, the God of Infinity, the land of Eternity 
where there is no time, just Infinity.....
the Dream of God...
Ravin' Raven
~V~
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