Replying to a message of Phil Payne to Tony Ingenoso:

 PP> From: Phil Payne 

 PP> Tony Ingenoso wrote:
 >> 
 >> Declared, smecklared...that's all BS.
 >> 
 >> These prisoners are getting better living conditions than the crews on
 >> a WWII
 PP> vintage sub had.  Sorry if I'm not sympathetic to the
 >> POV that terrorists should all get the comfy chair, cable TV, and 7x24
 >> web
 PP> access.

 PP> They're not terrorists until they're convicted.  Or has "innocent
 PP> until proven guilty" also been thrown out of the US legal system?

Yes it has.  When John Ashcroft says one is a terrorist or an 'enemy
combatant' one can be incarcerated forever, without a trial, without access
to counsel, and without access to the Red Cross (a requirement of the
Geneva Convention for combatants).  All because John Ashcroft says so.

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