*** Quoting Dan Ceppa from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> It was low turnout.  However, no matter how low, all reports of it
 CS> were passed to the ZCC echo as best as possible.  The initial one by

DC> A low turnout doesn't necessarily mean that change is not just 
DC> requested but is needed.  I can quickly give you an example of 
DC> a similar situation.  You may not like it though!  

I doubt there is a related one in Fidonet for creation of a zone or for
moving ¨individual nodes (rather than whole nets).

 CS> Ward who forwarded what he had, and a later one that matched but was a

DC> Far better to get the information directly from the source.  

He had only what he had.  Later, Vladimir posted more and so did another (I
¨forget who).

DC> Has it occured to you that FIDO standards for change are exactly 
DC> why FIDO remains in the Dark Ages?  

So Dan, what do you suggest be done?

DC> change in FIDO ever again.  As it stands, it appears that 
DC> War Lords are more concerned about protecting their own little 
DC> fiefdoms than they are in the system as whole.  

What makes you think that?  It's possible Ward had a vested interest in
¨not making sweeping changes in R50, but what reasons do you attribute to
the ¨rest of us who agreed?  Especially mine since I'm the one who would
have ¨benefitted the most?  (Thats taking it we decided to use an existing
zone).

 CS> against their will.  Let *them* decide this.

DC> Russian involvement in this, as well as far less non-controversial 
DC> international Echoes, is on sharp decline.  Why is that?  

Russian involvemtn in this and other english echos has always been somewhat
¨sporadic and they are shrinking just like Z1 did some time back.

DC> The opportunity to keep FIDO alive is being squandered away in the 
DC> expense of building castles instead of constructing d'bridges needed t
DC> benefit FIDO as a whole...  

Retoric without meaning isnt very useful.  Sounded pretty though.  Sorry
Dan, ¨but come up with a plan.
                                       xxcarol

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