Hello Vladimir.

17 Jul 06 12:40, you wrote to me:

 MV>> That is not how it works. The ZCC is the highest authority in
 MV>> FidoNet and they have rejected the Z7 proposal. You may not like
 MV>> that and of course you natural reaction is to say that they were
 MV>> wrong, but that is not going to do any good. I did not like it
 MV>> either when they ruled against me, and my reaction also was that
 MV>> they were wrong. But the fact is that that is where the buck
 MV>> stops. You shall just have to learn to live with it.

 VD> Yes, but ZCC basis is "quorum". I speak that qourum in FIDO is
 VD> different from real-live quorum and in our case it was enought.

That is not what the ZCC decided. Sorry Vladimir, you have no other choice
then to accept that.

 VD>>> we is a real FIDO sysops and want to continue of existance of
 VD>>> the FIDO!

 MV>> So do I. Why do you think I am still here after all these years?
 MV>> I like FidoNet and I would like it to go on for many more years.

 MV>> But IMHSHO the best way to achieve that is to just hang on and
 MV>> keep writing. As I am doing....

 VD> I think that this is a way to "slow death" - not to
"life".

You are entitled to your opinion. Does not mean I have to go along with
your alternative. Whatever that is....

 VD>>> And they can't send mail (only through boss),

 MV>> Points can crash messages to systems that are on-line.

 VD>>> and they can't receive mail (only through boss).

 MV>> Not so. Points *can* be on-line for receiving message directly
 MV>> without having it routed through their boss. Try sending a
 MV>> message directly to
 MV>> 2:280/100.55.

 MV>> There is not much of an advantage for a point to be on-line for
 MV>> receiving messages directly, but it *can* be done...

 VD> Keyword is "directly", in modern world it is
"anachronizm" (old
 VD> technology). Very most sysops receive his mail by route, and this is
 VD> more quickly and beatiful way.

In that case, they have no reason at all to be sysops. Let them be users instead...

But you are wrong. Routing mail was a necessity when sending mail directly
was too expensive. The new technology of fido over IP has freed us from
that. We can now send our mail directly without any additional cost. We are
no longer at the mercy of hubs and hosts that play games with out mail.

I send my mail as directly as possible. That is the new way. Routing mail
is the old way.

 VD>>>  So: point and sysop - different levels and status.

 MV>> Yep. A point is free form ZMH restrictions....

 VD> Only. Points are free from all rights and obligations too.

So what rights - other than the right to send and receive mail - does a sysop have?

 MV>> E-mail only nodes should never have been allowed. They have the
 MV>> reachability of points and hence *should* be points.

 VD> Read nodelist or Ward's decisions!

I know.

 VD> I agree with you - EON is nonsense, but now they exist...

That is no reason to make of these kind of mistakes.

 MV>> And BTW, where *is* Anatoly? AFAIK he is certified ghost.

 VD> He was a sysop who work in Vietname. After his contract was finish he
 VD> return to Moscow.

"Was". his node is off-line....

 VD>>> More is inusefull - we have a RC, a NC and a sysop... This is
 VD>>> enought for begin of Region transfer, if this resolution is accept.

 MV>> But it was rejected. Live wih it.

 VD> Yes...

So no need to say any more.

 MV>> Two plus two still does not equal five no matter how many support
 MV>> that theory...

 VD> Summary two parts of Uran-235 (at same kg each) and you get very more
 VD> bad things...

Put together two masses of 0.5 kg each of U235 and you still end up with 1
kg of something... provided you included the mass equivalence of the
realeased energy...

 VD>  So - 1+1 can be "large number of things", not 2 "pieces
 VD> of same". And 1 (men) plus 1 (women) give "many"
(childrens)...

Only if you use different units on either side of the equation.

 VD> So - social mathematic is not arithmetic!

There is no such thing as social mathematics. It is an oxymoron.

Anyway, your word games are unconvincing. 1+1=2, no matter what the outcome
of the vote.

Cheers,

Michiel

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