MvdV>> Lawrence Fan is off line. No POTS number listed and his static IP
 MvdV>> number does not have a reverse dns associated with it.

 ml> rDNS is _not_ required...

 MvdV> Yes it is. RFC 1912, 2.1:

interesting... firstly, you choose a document titled "Common DNS
Operational and Configuration Errors" and try to use it to state what
is required... then you also point to a section of said document that
doesn't even contain rDNS or the term "reverse dns" or similar...

 > Make sure your PTR and A records match.  For every IP address, there
 > should be a matching PTR record in the in-addr.arpa domain.

hummm... keyword "should"... not "will" or "must" ;)

 MvdV>> (No Ptr record) That is the equivalent of "This number is no
 MvdV>> longer in use".

 ml> completely incorrect ASSupption...

 MvdV> It is not an assumption, it is a conclusion. "For every IP
 MvdV> address, there should be a matching PTR record in the
 MvdV> in-addr.arpa domain." So if there is no PTR record, the IP does
 MvdV> not exist. QED.

then it is an erroneous conclusion... the document you point to does not
state that reverse dns is _required_... in fact, said document uses the
word "required" only three times... once in reference to glue
records, once in reference to SMTP servers supporting the MX mechanism and
lastly in reference to being required to have at least two nameservers per
domain...

 ml>  especially since rDNS is _NOT_ required...

 MvdV> Wrong.. See RFC 1912.

reading comprehension error...

 MvdV>> Terri Roati? No contact information at all. Off-line.

 ml> i see the problem... because _you_ can't contact them directly, you
 ml> erroneously thing they are offline when they are not...

 MvdV> A server that lists no contact information is off-line for all
 MvdV> practical purposes.

wrong... off-line means "off the network" as in "physically
turned off" or as in "disconnected cable"... you can't
directly contact any of my machines on my internal LAN but by your
definition, they are offline when, in fact, they are very much online all
the time and providing data and services...

 ml> carol has told you more than once that they are pulling mail from
 ml> their feed like clockwork...

 MvdV> So do my points. Your point?

they are not offline...

 ml>  what more do you want?

 MvdV> I can not believe you are too dense to know the answer. So you
 MvdV> must be trying to provoke me.

no provocation at all... education and correction, yes... absolutely... it
is, afterall, what brought us together the first time and also what has
pretty much brought us together each time since then... you still owe me a
concession, too... you got one and turned your back afterwards...

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