From: "Robert Comer" 

> Has to happen, if we want 1.3 billion more people in the
> capitalist/consumer
> market place then we need china. In the starting stages, china has the
> cheap
> manpower so it's natural that labor intensive jobs like steel forging are
> going to go to china. And there is the effects of osha and such driving
> business overseas.  But in the developed stage china is going to need even
> more restrictive osha types, and as they become consumers the increase in
> sales in all branches of the market may just be enough to make us an
> exporting country again.

Just remember that China is not like our country, they have a government
that rules with an iron fist, while they will change in time, it may not be
soon enough for us.  You just don't know how much of an advantage a Chinese
company has over a foreign owned one, even though both are in China...  (we
have our biggest plant in China and I have regular contact with a couple of
the higher ups.)

> We have advantages too, we have the space to grow hardwoods which china
> really loves, food, water, culture, entertainment, high tech, these are
> all
> things that are or will be scarce goods in china.

Those can be gotten cheaper than we can do it, at least the way our country
is organized now.  It might be interesting to go back to some agrarian
roots, but don't think that our high tech will always be ahead, especially
given what's going on now.

> Really?

Very much so.  I fear that we Americans don't produce anything of substance
anymore to back up our might.  Kind of a paper tiger...

--
Bob Comer


"Geo"  wrote in message
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> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
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>
>> I don't know, it's hard to tell.  if that's true it may backfire on them
> of
>> oil goes up more.
>
> Our government is controlling the price of oil. Price starts to drop and
> bush starts talking about Iran this and Iran that and presto the price
> goes
> up $10/b
>
>> > Most of the inflation you see is the result of china coming online.
>>
>> A lot of our current problems are because of China coming online, but the
>> seeds for that were sown years ago by our ownselves.
>
> Has to happen, if we want 1.3 billion more people in the
> capitalist/consumer
> market place then we need china. In the starting stages, china has the
> cheap
> manpower so it's natural that labor intensive jobs like steel forging are
> going to go to china. And there is the effects of osha and such driving
> business overseas.  But in the developed stage china is going to need even
> more restrictive osha types, and as they become consumers the increase in
> sales in all branches of the market may just be enough to make us an
> exporting country again.
>
> We have advantages too, we have the space to grow hardwoods which china
> really loves, food, water, culture, entertainment, high tech, these are
> all
> things that are or will be scarce goods in china.
>
>> >It's not
>> > being caused by an overheating us economy.
>>
>> I agree with that 200%, there is no overheating economy, if anything, the
>> economy has continued to contract except for a few sectors.
>
> The economy has come very close to overheating several times over the past
> year. Both times the price of oil surged and cooled the overheating.
>
>> Agreed.  That's what I feel so worried about this one.
>
> Really? I'm not concerned at all. I recognize that there are a lot of
> changes happening and some businesses will be lost but I see the
> government
> using oil and interest rates as economic controls quite effectively and
> they
> do appear to be on top of the situation. It does piss me off when I see
> Bush's buddies getting rich in the process when there was obviously other
> ways to accomplish the same goal but overall I don't see things getting
> out
> of hand economically speaking.
>
> Geo.
>
>

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