From: "Mark" 


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>I don't understand where you equate a wish to be liberated from indefinite
>Guantanimo imprisonment to wishing a slice of the American Pie.

Simple. They want the rights we enjoy, they don't deserve them, but many
seem to be fighting to give them same. I am, though, all for sending most
of them on back to their country of origin, that same countries don't want
them is of little consequence, we should just say that we're dropping them
off at "point a" come and get them, or not. Then if they come at
us again we'll know better than to capture them.

> As for Zarqawi, I noticed that there is a brouhaha over where he will be
> buried. If I was the military, I'd cremate him and dump the ashes in the
> ocean. We don't need a shrine plus it would piss off his supporters.

I'm surprised that there was anything left to argue over  I'm glad
though, that he lived long enough to see our guys as his last image.


> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Not at all Rich, the ACLU is perfectly free to defend anyone they want,
>> and I think they do good work on a variety of causes -- it's better
>> though, that they can't work for the Gitmo inmates since they remain out
>> of their reach.
>>
>> If the Gitmo inmates want the full protection of our constitution, let
>> them fill out immigration forms in their cells, await approval (and
>> they'll get it eventually), then become citizens. After they swear their
>> allegiance to the US, then we'll talk about giving them pro bono
>> representation, after which we can send them to an American prison for
>> life -- and get blown up by them when they get out 7 years later.
>>
>> I should explain, I think, that I'm a bit wound up because I've read of
>> some of the usual left-wing nutjobs calling Zarqawi's demise, murder.
>> > some rubes in Gitmo getting their undeserved slice of the American Pie>
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:448b8480$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Now you've thrown in ACLU lawyers with suspected terrorists? Must be
>>> their defense of Japanese-Americans that were herded off to relocation
>>> camps in 1942 that marked them.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b8284$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Sorry Rich, I come down more strongly on our right to
survive than I do
>>>> on their right to kill us. If they don't get a full
complement of ACLU
>>>> lawyers to help kill us, I shed no tears.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:448b81e5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not
about sympathy.
>>>>> It's about justice, the rule of law and acting as a
civilized nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b7a9b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but
my sympathies are
>>>>>>not with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure,
that we're waiting
>>>>>>on the Supreme Court to rule on whether military
tribunals are kosher,
>>>>>>if my recollection is correct I feel quite sure
that SCOTUS will find
>>>>>>that they are, then we can get a move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the meantime, I think I understand that the
countries of origin,
>>>>>> of these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in
Gitmo with 3
>>>>>> squares and urine free Korans, don't want a damn
thing to do with
>>>>>> them, so they're in the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy
to hold people aged
>>>>>>> from 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope
of one wasn't viable
>>>>>>> from the start. One main problem was the
selection criteria ( mostly
>>>>>>> lack of it ) used to send individuals to
Guantanimo resulting in a
>>>>>>> 14 year old prisoner. If there is any proof
they are terrorists then
>>>>>>> try them and be done with it. This Bush/Cheney
abuse of any form of
>>>>>>> justice is reprehensible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>  So their motives aren't
clear to you. They win then, just
>>>>>>>> as they planned, so let's bring them on
over to the USA, read them
>>>>>>>> their rights, give them social security
numbers, some spending
>>>>>>>> money, and turn them loose... >>>>>>> with your cab fare?>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>>>>>>> Men in prison are five times more
likely to commit suicide than
>>>>>>>>> those in the general population, a
Lancet online study has found.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mark"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They
(the prisoners) know that there
>>>>>>>>>> is a lot of noise out there about
how Gitmo should be closed,
>>>>>>>>>> they know further that a few
suicides will help the cause of
>>>>>>>>>> those that want it closed, so they
do it -- not as glorious as
>>>>>>>>>> blowing up themselves and a bunch
of innocent bystanders in a
>>>>>>>>>> market somewhere, but still
contributes to the cause of defeating
>>>>>>>>>> the west.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to
go into detail after a statement
>>>>>>>>>>> like that otherwise he starts
looking like the military
>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of Ann Coulter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I would guess
depression due to indefinite incarceration rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>than an 'act of
warfare'. I wonder of the Adm Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Three foreign
prisoners were found dead on Saturday after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging themselves
with clothing and bedsheets in the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths at the U.S.
naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prison opened in
January 2002, U.S. defense officials
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry
Harris, commander of Guantanamo, told a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news conference the
suicides were an act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They are smart.
They are creative, they are committed. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no regard for
life, neither ours nor their own. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was not an act of
desperation, but an act of asymmetrical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> warfare waged against
us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite
detention with none of the rights afforded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formal prisoners of
war or criminal suspects in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice system, dozens
of the detainees have undertaken hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes and attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an interesting
viewpoint. Would be nice to see an
>>>>>>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
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