From: "Rich Gauszka" 

I don't understand where you equate a wish to be liberated from indefinite
Guantanimo imprisonment to wishing a slice of the American Pie.

As for Zarqawi, I noticed that there is a brouhaha over where he will be
buried. If I was the military, I'd cremate him and dump the ashes in the
ocean. We don't need a shrine plus it would piss off his supporters.


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:448b8737$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Not at all Rich, the ACLU is perfectly free to defend anyone they want,
> and I think they do good work on a variety of causes -- it's better
> though, that they can't work for the Gitmo inmates since they remain out
> of their reach.
>
> If the Gitmo inmates want the full protection of our constitution, let
> them fill out immigration forms in their cells, await approval (and
> they'll get it eventually), then become citizens. After they swear their
> allegiance to the US, then we'll talk about giving them pro bono
> representation, after which we can send them to an American prison for
> life -- and get blown up by them when they get out 7 years later.
>
> I should explain, I think, that I'm a bit wound up because I've read of
> some of the usual left-wing nutjobs calling Zarqawi's demise, murder.  just tired of the BS, we need to win this thing, not worry about some
> rubes in Gitmo getting their undeserved slice of the American Pie>
>
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:448b8480$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Now you've thrown in ACLU lawyers with suspected terrorists? Must be
>> their defense of Japanese-Americans that were herded off to relocation
>> camps in 1942 that marked them.
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:448b8284$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Sorry Rich, I come down more strongly on our right to survive than I do
>>> on their right to kill us. If they don't get a full complement of ACLU
>>> lawyers to help kill us, I shed no tears.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b81e5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not about sympathy.
>>>> It's about justice, the rule of law and acting as a
civilized nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:448b7a9b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but my
sympathies are
>>>>>not with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure, that
we're waiting on
>>>>>the Supreme Court to rule on whether military tribunals
are kosher, if
>>>>>my recollection is correct I feel quite sure that
SCOTUS will find that
>>>>>they are, then we can get a move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, I think I understand that the
countries of origin, of
>>>>> these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in Gitmo
with 3 squares
>>>>> and urine free Korans, don't want a damn thing to do
with them, so
>>>>> they're in the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy to
hold people aged
>>>>>> from 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope of
one wasn't viable
>>>>>> from the start. One main problem was the selection
criteria ( mostly
>>>>>> lack of it ) used to send individuals to
Guantanimo resulting in a 14
>>>>>> year old prisoner. If there is any proof they are
terrorists then try
>>>>>> them and be done with it. This Bush/Cheney abuse
of any form of
>>>>>> justice is reprehensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>  So their motives aren't clear to
you. They win then, just as
>>>>>>> they planned, so let's bring them on over to
the USA, read them
>>>>>>> their rights, give them social security
numbers, some spending
>>>>>>> money, and turn them loose... >>>>>> with your cab fare?>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>>>>>> Men in prison are five times more likely
to commit suicide than
>>>>>>>> those in the general population, a Lancet
online study has found.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mark"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They (the
prisoners) know that there
>>>>>>>>> is a lot of noise out there about how
Gitmo should be closed, they
>>>>>>>>> know further that a few suicides will
help the cause of those that
>>>>>>>>> want it closed, so they do it -- not
as glorious as blowing up
>>>>>>>>> themselves and a bunch of innocent
bystanders in a market
>>>>>>>>> somewhere, but still contributes to
the cause of defeating the
>>>>>>>>> west.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to go
into detail after a statement
>>>>>>>>>> like that otherwise he starts
looking like the military
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of Ann Coulter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>I would guess depression
due to indefinite incarceration rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>than an 'act of warfare'. I
wonder of the Adm Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_7
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Three foreign prisoners
were found dead on Saturday after
>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging themselves with
clothing and bedsheets in the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths at the U.S. naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since
>>>>>>>>>>>> the prison opened in
January 2002, U.S. defense officials said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry
Harris, commander of Guantanamo, told a
>>>>>>>>>>>> news conference the
suicides were an act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "They are smart. They
are creative, they are committed. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> have no regard for life,
neither ours nor their own. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> this was not an act of
desperation, but an act of asymmetrical
>>>>>>>>>>>> warfare waged against
us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite
detention with none of the rights afforded
>>>>>>>>>>>> formal prisoners of war or
criminal suspects in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>> justice system, dozens of
the detainees have undertaken hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>> strikes and attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is an interesting
viewpoint. Would be nice to see an
>>>>>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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