From: "Mark" 

Not at all Rich, the ACLU is perfectly free to defend anyone they want, and
I think they do good work on a variety of causes -- it's better though,
that they can't work for the Gitmo inmates since they remain out of their
reach.

If the Gitmo inmates want the full protection of our constitution, let them
fill out immigration forms in their cells, await approval (and they'll get
it eventually), then become citizens. After they swear their allegiance to
the US, then we'll talk about giving them pro bono representation, after
which we can send them to an American prison for life -- and get blown up
by them when they get out 7 years later.

I should explain, I think, that I'm a bit wound up because I've read of
some of the usual left-wing nutjobs calling Zarqawi's demise, murder.



"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
news:448b8480$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Now you've thrown in ACLU lawyers with suspected terrorists? Must be their
> defense of Japanese-Americans that were herded off to relocation camps in
> 1942 that marked them.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:448b8284$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Sorry Rich, I come down more strongly on our right to survive than I do
>> on their right to kill us. If they don't get a full complement of ACLU
>> lawyers to help kill us, I shed no tears.
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:448b81e5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not about sympathy. It's
>>> about justice, the rule of law and acting as a civilized nation.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b7a9b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but my
sympathies are not
>>>>with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure, that we're
waiting on the
>>>>Supreme Court to rule on whether military tribunals are kosher, if my
>>>>recollection is correct I feel quite sure that SCOTUS will find that
>>>>they are, then we can get a move on.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, I think I understand that the countries
of origin, of
>>>> these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in Gitmo with 3 squares
>>>> and urine free Korans, don't want a damn thing to do with them, so
>>>> they're in the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy to hold
people aged
>>>>> from 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope of one
wasn't viable
>>>>> from the start. One main problem was the selection
criteria ( mostly
>>>>> lack of it ) used to send individuals to Guantanimo
resulting in a 14
>>>>> year old prisoner. If there is any proof they are
terrorists then try
>>>>> them and be done with it. This Bush/Cheney abuse of any form of
>>>>> justice is reprehensible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>  So their motives aren't clear to
you. They win then, just as
>>>>>> they planned, so let's bring them on over to the
USA, read them their
>>>>>> rights, give them social security numbers, some
spending money, and
>>>>>> turn them loose... >>>>> fare?>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>>>>> Men in prison are five times more likely to
commit suicide than
>>>>>>> those in the general population, a Lancet
online study has found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They (the
prisoners) know that there is
>>>>>>>> a lot of noise out there about how Gitmo
should be closed, they
>>>>>>>> know further that a few suicides will help
the cause of those that
>>>>>>>> want it closed, so they do it -- not as
glorious as blowing up
>>>>>>>> themselves and a bunch of innocent
bystanders in a market
>>>>>>>> somewhere, but still contributes to the
cause of defeating the
>>>>>>>> west.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to go into
detail after a statement like
>>>>>>>>> that otherwise he starts looking like
the military equivalent of
>>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>I would guess depression due to
indefinite incarceration rather
>>>>>>>>>>>than an 'act of warfare'. I
wonder of the Adm Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_7
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Three foreign prisoners were
found dead on Saturday after
>>>>>>>>>>> hanging themselves with
clothing and bedsheets in the first
>>>>>>>>>>> deaths at the U.S. naval base
at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since the
>>>>>>>>>>> prison opened in January 2002,
U.S. defense officials said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris,
commander of Guantanamo, told a
>>>>>>>>>>> news conference the suicides
were an act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "They are smart. They are
creative, they are committed. They
>>>>>>>>>>> have no regard for life,
neither ours nor their own. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> this was not an act of
desperation, but an act of asymmetrical
>>>>>>>>>>> warfare waged against
us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite detention
with none of the rights afforded
>>>>>>>>>>> formal prisoners of war or
criminal suspects in the U.S. justice
>>>>>>>>>>> system, dozens of the
detainees have undertaken hunger strikes
>>>>>>>>>>> and attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is an interesting viewpoint.
Would be nice to see an
>>>>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
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