From: "Rich Gauszka" 

Now you've thrown in ACLU lawyers with suspected terrorists? Must be their
defense of Japanese-Americans that were herded off to relocation camps in
1942 that marked them.


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:448b8284$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Sorry Rich, I come down more strongly on our right to survive than I do on
> their right to kill us. If they don't get a full complement of ACLU
> lawyers to help kill us, I shed no tears.
>
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:448b81e5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not about sympathy. It's
>> about justice, the rule of law and acting as a civilized nation.
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:448b7a9b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but my sympathies are not
>>>with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure, that we're waiting on the
>>>Supreme Court to rule on whether military tribunals are kosher, if my
>>>recollection is correct I feel quite sure that SCOTUS will find that they
>>>are, then we can get a move on.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I think I understand that the countries of origin, of
>>> these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in Gitmo with 3 squares and
>>> urine free Korans, don't want a damn thing to do with them, so they're
>>> in the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy to hold
people aged from
>>>> 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope of one wasn't
viable from the
>>>> start. One main problem was the selection criteria ( mostly lack of
>>>> it ) used to send individuals to Guantanimo resulting in a
14 year old
>>>> prisoner. If there is any proof they are terrorists then
try them and
>>>> be done with it. This Bush/Cheney abuse of any form of justice is
>>>> reprehensible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>  So their motives aren't clear to you.
They win then, just as
>>>>> they planned, so let's bring them on over to the USA,
read them their
>>>>> rights, give them social security numbers, some
spending money, and
>>>>> turn them loose... >>>> fare?>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>>>> Men in prison are five times more likely to commit
suicide than those
>>>>>> in the general population, a Lancet online study has found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They (the
prisoners) know that there is
>>>>>>> a lot of noise out there about how Gitmo
should be closed, they know
>>>>>>> further that a few suicides will help the
cause of those that want
>>>>>>> it closed, so they do it -- not as glorious as
blowing up themselves
>>>>>>> and a bunch of innocent bystanders in a market
somewhere, but still
>>>>>>> contributes to the cause of defeating the west.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to go into
detail after a statement like
>>>>>>>> that otherwise he starts looking like the
military equivalent of
>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>I would guess depression due to
indefinite incarceration rather
>>>>>>>>>>than an 'act of warfare'. I wonder
of the Adm Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_7
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three foreign prisoners were found
dead on Saturday after hanging
>>>>>>>>>> themselves with clothing and
bedsheets in the first deaths at the
>>>>>>>>>> U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, since the prison opened
>>>>>>>>>> in January 2002, U.S. defense
officials said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris,
commander of Guantanamo, told a news
>>>>>>>>>> conference the suicides were an
act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "They are smart. They are
creative, they are committed. They have
>>>>>>>>>> no regard for life, neither ours
nor their own. I believe this
>>>>>>>>>> was not an act of desperation, but
an act of asymmetrical warfare
>>>>>>>>>> waged against us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite detention with
none of the rights afforded
>>>>>>>>>> formal prisoners of war or
criminal suspects in the U.S. justice
>>>>>>>>>> system, dozens of the detainees
have undertaken hunger strikes
>>>>>>>>>> and attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is an interesting viewpoint.
Would be nice to see an
>>>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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