From: "Mark" 

Sorry Rich, I come down more strongly on our right to survive than I do on
their right to kill us. If they don't get a full complement of ACLU lawyers
to help kill us, I shed no tears.


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not about sympathy. It's
> about justice, the rule of law and acting as a civilized nation.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but my sympathies are not
>>with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure, that we're waiting on the
>>Supreme Court to rule on whether military tribunals are kosher, if my
>>recollection is correct I feel quite sure that SCOTUS will find that they
>>are, then we can get a move on.
>>
>> In the meantime, I think I understand that the countries of origin, of
>> these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in Gitmo with 3 squares and
>> urine free Korans, don't want a damn thing to do with them, so they're in
>> the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy to hold people aged from
>>> 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope of one wasn't viable from the
>>> start. One main problem was the selection criteria ( mostly lack of it )
>>> used to send individuals to Guantanimo resulting in a 14 year old
>>> prisoner. If there is any proof they are terrorists then try them and be
>>> done with it. This Bush/Cheney abuse of any form of justice is
>>> reprehensible.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>  So their motives aren't clear to you. They
win then, just as
>>>> they planned, so let's bring them on over to the USA, read
them their
>>>> rights, give them social security numbers, some spending money, and
>>>> turn them loose... >>> fare?>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>>> Men in prison are five times more likely to commit
suicide than those
>>>>> in the general population, a Lancet online study has found.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They (the prisoners)
know that there is a
>>>>>> lot of noise out there about how Gitmo should be
closed, they know
>>>>>> further that a few suicides will help the cause of
those that want it
>>>>>> closed, so they do it -- not as glorious as
blowing up themselves and
>>>>>> a bunch of innocent bystanders in a market
somewhere, but still
>>>>>> contributes to the cause of defeating the west.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to go into detail
after a statement like
>>>>>>> that otherwise he starts looking like the
military equivalent of Ann
>>>>>>> Coulter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>I would guess depression due to
indefinite incarceration rather
>>>>>>>>>than an 'act of warfare'. I wonder of
the Adm Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_7
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Three foreign prisoners were found
dead on Saturday after hanging
>>>>>>>>> themselves with clothing and bedsheets
in the first deaths at the
>>>>>>>>> U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, since the prison opened
>>>>>>>>> in January 2002, U.S. defense officials said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander
of Guantanamo, told a news
>>>>>>>>> conference the suicides were an act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "They are smart. They are
creative, they are committed. They have
>>>>>>>>> no regard for life, neither ours nor
their own. I believe this was
>>>>>>>>> not an act of desperation, but an act
of asymmetrical warfare
>>>>>>>>> waged against us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite detention with none
of the rights afforded
>>>>>>>>> formal prisoners of war or criminal
suspects in the U.S. justice
>>>>>>>>> system, dozens of the detainees have
undertaken hunger strikes and
>>>>>>>>> attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is an interesting viewpoint. Would be
nice to see an
>>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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