From: "Rich Gauszka" 

The problem is that some don't deserve it. It's not about sympathy. It's
about justice, the rule of law and acting as a civilized nation.


"Mark"  wrote in message
news:448b7a9b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>I haven't really kept up with all the nuances, but my sympathies are not
>with the prisoners. I think, but am not sure, that we're waiting on the
>Supreme Court to rule on whether military tribunals are kosher, if my
>recollection is correct I feel quite sure that SCOTUS will find that they
>are, then we can get a move on.
>
> In the meantime, I think I understand that the countries of origin, of
> these pleasant fellows currently vacationing in Gitmo with 3 squares and
> urine free Korans, don't want a damn thing to do with them, so they're in
> the Twilight Zone they deserve.
>
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:448b78c0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Try a realistic scenario. The current strategy to hold people aged from
>> 14 to 71 without a trial and with no hope of one wasn't viable from the
>> start. One main problem was the selection criteria ( mostly lack of it )
>> used to send individuals to Guantanimo resulting in a 14 year old
>> prisoner. If there is any proof they are terrorists then try them and be
>> done with it. This Bush/Cheney abuse of any form of justice is
>> reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:448b753c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>  So their motives aren't clear to you. They win
then, just as
>>> they planned, so let's bring them on over to the USA, read them their
>>> rights, give them social security numbers, some spending money, and turn
>>> them loose... 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:448b72a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4245354.stm
>>>> Men in prison are five times more likely to commit suicide
than those
>>>> in the general population, a Lancet online study has found.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:448b6c54$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Seems pretty obvious to me. They (the prisoners) know
that there is a
>>>>> lot of noise out there about how Gitmo should be
closed, they know
>>>>> further that a few suicides will help the cause of
those that want it
>>>>> closed, so they do it -- not as glorious as blowing up
themselves and
>>>>> a bunch of innocent bystanders in a market somewhere, but still
>>>>> contributes to the cause of defeating the west.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:448b626e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> The Admiral really needed to go into detail after
a statement like
>>>>>> that otherwise he starts looking like the military
equivalent of Ann
>>>>>> Coulter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Robert G Lewis"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:448b6024$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:448b5bdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>I would guess depression due to indefinite
incarceration rather than
>>>>>>>>an 'act of warfare'. I wonder of the Adm
Harris gave that
>>>>>>>>explanation with a straight face
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060610/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_dc_7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Three foreign prisoners were found dead on
Saturday after hanging
>>>>>>>> themselves with clothing and bedsheets in
the first deaths at the
>>>>>>>> U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,
since the prison opened in
>>>>>>>> January 2002, U.S. defense officials said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander of
Guantanamo, told a news
>>>>>>>> conference the suicides were an act of warfare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "They are smart. They are creative,
they are committed. They have
>>>>>>>> no regard for life, neither ours nor their
own. I believe this was
>>>>>>>> not an act of desperation, but an act of
asymmetrical warfare waged
>>>>>>>> against us," Harris said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Facing indefinite detention with none of
the rights afforded formal
>>>>>>>> prisoners of war or criminal suspects in
the U.S. justice system,
>>>>>>>> dozens of the detainees have undertaken
hunger strikes and
>>>>>>>> attempted suicide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is an interesting viewpoint. Would be
nice to see an
>>>>>>> explanation of what he meant.
>>>>>>>
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