From: "Adam Flinton" 


"William F. Zachmann"  wrote
in message news:3e89a3a3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Adam,
>
> I had not intent to conflate the two (nor to conflate either with "the
> Irish").  It is my very clear impression, however, that Mr. Payne does
not,
> shall we way, appear to have notably kindly sentiments toward any of them
> (Jews, Israel, Irish).

To a degree you're still doing it. Possibly Jews & Irish, Israel & Ireland.

> He appears to prefer the likes of Saddam Hussein --
> and the Third Reich, to which he evidently has some sort of sentimental
> attachment (most recently evidenced by his stated admiration for the
bravery
> of the Nazi submariners -- even as he condemns contemporary British and
> American ones as cowards).  As I said elsewhere, there is a very
unambiguous
> word for this.
>

It has to be said that wrt his comments the German U-boat service had the
highest casualty rate of any branch of the Nazi armed forces & that not
everyone (or possibly not even the majority) who fought in those boats were
nazis.

Also he was not comparing modern day push button submariner warfare which
is the modern equivalent of the gunboat wrt striking ground targets to the
WW2 operations which were harsh for all concerned.  I don't agree that they
are cowards & I can't see his point as I would argue given the
disconnected nature of the operation (you're semi isolated under the
sea...& then..small jolt in the boat when one goes off) that it is more
of a lack of emotion that any form of bravery or cowardice.

Adam

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