AC> I've never been clear on what Big Bangers believe as they 
 AC> seem to always change their claims based on the evidence 
 AC> that they're trying to avoid.  But, it seems popular to 
 AC> believe that there wasn't anything close to enough gravity 
 AC> to hold things together (obviously, the mass of the universe 
 AC> is less than that of a Black Hole). 
I dunno that you can rely on the postings to get a reasonable BB 
theory Andrew.  People post all kinds of crazy ideas about it. As 
for me, all I can tell is that the famous 'red shift' suggests the 
universe is expanding, and by inference, must have an origin to be 
expanding *from*.  But: whether that is true or not, I cannot tell 
because all I have is the color of the light that reaches us, and 
while the red shift seems an indication of an expanding universe, 
I do not know that it is, in fact, expanding.  There may well be a 
different reason for the color change in some astronomic objects. 
 
For that reason, I have been exploring the idea that we all live 
on a vast holodeck.  Since it is maintained by software, there is 
no reason to presume that the subroutines are, as science says, 
all uniform in their function at all points on the deck. There is 
some reason to think that things on your end of the deck are much 
different from what they are on my end, and that therefore, you 
come to very different conclusions about what you see, since what 
you see is not the same as what I, or anyone else, sees. 
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