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echo: philos
to: NICK DOUGLAS
from: RELATIF TUINN
date: 1998-03-17 15:13:00
subject: Brains in vats

Nick Douglas discussing "Brains in vats"
with Andrew Cummins...
 ND> Liberalism is pure evil? Well, I believe it to be faulty (just MHO!),
 ND> but I don't think of it as evil. Anyway, that's not much of an excuse.
 ND> Why couldn't liberalism be a variable in this big, complex simulation
 ND> game?
Indeed.
 ND> Are we all creatures from some "real" universe, who all wanted to
 ND> play this "game"?
What evidence is there to suggest this?
 ND> Are we lab animals in an expiriment that really lasts
 ND> for a minute?
What evidence is there to suggest this?
 ND> Are we just *experiencing* decades, but not living them?
What does this mean?
 ND> This philosophical view allows no excuses against it.
Which one?
 ND> But it gives us no purpose for living.
Who said there is one?
 ND> That's why I ignore it. I believe that I'm a
 ND> human put here by the only God, and His Son Jesus.
Ah, but then you only ignore it because you choose to believe in a god and 
therefore a purpose. What evidence is there for your belief?
 ND> I follow by fath and not by proof, as we Christians are supposed
 ND> to.
There is no proof anyway so you have no choice.
 ND> Of course, that's
 ND> accepted in a philosophical echo, right?
What you have just stated is your personal philosophy. Strictly speaking that 
is not what philosophy is about. The words "I believe" should never be used. 
Philosophy is a study of the logical principles that underpin any belief 
system and whether there is any validity or consistency in those beliefs and 
how those beliefs are reached.
So, ideally, you should be telling us exactly why you believe what you do, 
and what led you to believe what you do in a logical fashion without using 
the words "I believe" or equivalent. ie. philosophy isn't about conjecture.
    Relatif Tuinn
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