Hi Shelia,
SK-->You seem to have missed my two long responses as well, since you never
SK-->replied to them. Ron has already mentioned that he no longer has copies,
SK-->but I have both his post(s) and mine here and will save them off to a
SK-->text file. I can repost it if necessary, but would prefer to send it to
SK-->you privately, either FidoNet netmail, or EVEN BETTER by Internet
SK-->e-mail. Please advise. If you do have an e-mail adress but don't wish to
SK-->post it here publicly, you can mail it to me at cking@cyberg8t.com.
   I'm not sure what happened to the mail, but in view of the breakdown
   of my computer three weeks ago it was likely an early indication of
   the trouble to come that caused me to miss the mail.  I am very sorry
   about it.
   e-mail me at anderson@waveinter.com  I'll respond here or there. I
   love to get mail. I don't have fidonet netmail , I don't think.
SK-->-> Yup, old donated 286s and 8088s to learn on.  Also.. I'm thinking
SK-->-> that using the text commands to compress and decompress files is easy
SK-->-> to learn and the understanding that results in doing that might make
SK-->-> the graphical interface understandable when they have occasional
SK-->-> (perhaps at home on more advanced machines) to use it. But then, I
SK-->-> hope to have some machines capable of running html programs, the
SK-->-> question is how many (not many at first I'd guess) and whether or not
SK-->-> the learning that takes place on those machines will be focused on
SK-->-> internet use and document creation.
SK-->Wow. If you're using such old machines (wish you would've mentioned this
SK-->in the previous post) then I would definitely NOT make any point of
SK-->teaching operating systems at all. Students learn computer tasks best by
SK-->actually doing, and if you won't have ample facilities for all students
SK-->to have lots of hands-on time on the various machines, then I would
SK-->focus on the applications.
   I'm thinking of rotating them through the machines, like I used to do
   with centers, or like the menu math approach, so that even though
   each student is doing a different task, they all get to all the
   jobs and all the machines. The trick is to plan thematicly, and to
   pace. I don't know yet how it will work out.
SK-->As far as HTML and so forth, without sufficient facilities, I'd probably
SK-->scratch it.
Shelia, since the last time I wrote to you, some very exciting
developments have come up and it looks like we'll be building 4 pentium
machines just to meet that very need. It points out the importance of
setting your hopes high, and parent imput. It's a parent that is making
this happen, not with money, but with time , effort, and influence. I
look forward to starting to build them with him.
SK-->Well, another idea is to break the class up into groups (6 or so,
SK-->whatever works best) and have different activities for each group: one
SK-->doing word processing, one doing HTML, one doing keyboarding, etc... for
SK-->a few weeks on appropriate hardware, then everyone switches and repeat
SK-->until they all rotate through all the stations.
 Yes, I will probably do just that.
SK-->-> ....so, now I'm sitting here thinking of a management bad dream ...
SK-->-> each computer type, with it's own things to share..... well,
SK-->-> September is awhile away still, It will have more shape by then, I
SK-->-> pray.
SK-->Personally, were I in your situation, I'd do the following: Assign each
SK-->kid to a computer and that kid stays with that computer throughout the
SK-->year. Then try to find the same or similar software for each of the
SK-->platforms, so that everyone is doing the same activity.
    I think I'll rotate the kids  because those students who got
    stuck on apples might feel something sinister towards those who got
    to work on the pentiums, and there are some machines that are simply
    not capable of doing some activities as you pointed out earlier. It
    will be chaotic, but, The learning will be a fractal. I hope 
SK-->Programming is an excellent idea, IMHO. Problem solving. Using the
SK-->computer as a TOOL not the end in itself. And I can point you to LOTS of
SK-->references on the Web that will give you excellent justifications for
SK-->teaching programming to 6th graders and YOUNGER.
Please point.
SK--> Also, there is a free
SK-->version of Logo put out by UC Berkley (I just downloaded it yesterday).
SK-->It will even run on old DOS machines in only 640K, although this does
SK-->sacrifice some of the performance.
      I'll check it out, do you recall the address ? I'll try searching
      for it later.
SK-->So, let me know if you'd like me to send those text files, and by what
SK-->means. Or, if you like, I can repost them here to the echo.
     e-mail is fine. I'll probably respond to you by e-mail and Ron here
     (unless he has an address posted somewhere it the mail) It will be
     neat I hardly get any e-mail , that will be a change.
            anderson@waveinter.com
peace
Bob
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