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to: Paul Ranson
from: Gary Wiltshire
date: 2003-04-09 12:45:22
subject: Re: propoganda

From: Gary Wiltshire 

ACTIVE:  I saw him.
PASSIVE:  He was seen by me.

ACTIVE:  Congress shall make no law ... PASSIVE:  No law shall be made by Congress.

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:53:21 +0100, "Paul Ranson"
 wrote:

>I see no difference between your suggested passive amendment and the actual
>one.
>
>Paul
>
>"Gary Wiltshire"  wrote in message
>news:m5l69vkqit092t525u0vaqe5qcao05caaj{at}4ax.com...
>> The 'shall' does not make it passive voice.  "Passive
voice" is a term
>> describing a particular grammatical construction.
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:24:27 +0100, "Paul Ranson"

>> wrote:
>>
>> >A nit. The 'shall' does it for me.
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>> >"Gary Wiltshire"  wrote in message
>> >news:98d69v0ct8pu0u9qucdrnb62dnfnqt2egh{at}4ax.com...
>> >> There is nothing in passive voice in this quote.  It would be
>> >> rewritten: "No law shall be made by Congress respecting an
>> >> establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof;
>> >> or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or
the right of
>> >> the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a
>> >> redress of grievances."
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:21:57 +0100, "Paul
Ranson" 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >You would appear not to be....
>> >> >
>> >> >"Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion,
>or
>> >> >prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
the freedom of
>> >speech,
>> >> >or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and
>to
>> >> >petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
>> >> >
>> >> >Passive voice, applies to everyone affected by US law. QED...
>> >> >
>> >> >Paul
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ellen K."
 wrote in message
>> >> >news:2k759vcufruaqjf3hlv43pdl4e9pshq6l9{at}4ax.com...
>> >> >> Now you're an authority on our laws?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:25:31 +0200, Phil Payne
>> >> >>  wrote in message
>> >> >> :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I believe free speech is protected by
the first amendment...an
>> >> >amendment I hold
>> >> >> >> very dear.  Both you and Phil are very
opinioned...leave it at
>that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The First Amendment is written in the
passive voice and applies to
>> >> >everyone
>> >> >> >affected by US law.
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

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