-=> On 07-22-20  08:28,  Gregory Deyss <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

 DS> Are they free to move into your neighborhood and not be subjected to
 DS> predujice and scorn?  Are they free to have equal schools?  Are they
 DS> free to walk or jog down your street without someone deciding that they
 DS> do not belong and then chase them down with guns?  Are they free to get
 DS> on an elevator without noticing that the woman who is there tightens her
 DS> grip on her purse?

 GD> Your painting with a rather large brush in a attempt to prove your
 GD> point.  but there are things that are simply no longer the case which
 GD> dulls the point that you are trying to make here. 

Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that
came to mind.  Those who have lived the black life in America could make
a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.

How many white parents have felt the need to have "the talk" with their
children about how to act if stopped by the police?  How many black
parents have *NOT* felt that need.

 GD> These people are subject to watch them closely because of previous
 GD> events.  Being Vigilant is not Prejudice.

The very fact that you make such a statement is based on predjudice.
You are making a judgement about a single person based on some
experience with someone else "like them".

 GD> Blacks have been equal in schools since the civil rights act has been
 GD> passed.

That is simply not true.  The budgets of predominately black schools
have been less than those of predominately white schools.  Hence, not
equal.

 GD> No one is chasing them out of town with guns aimed - that would
 GD> illegal and punishable by law.

Tell that to Treyvon Martin or Ahmaud Arbrey.  Oh -- you can't do that
because they were chased with guns aimed and were killed.

 GD> I do understand where there would be a
 GD> fear of a sole women in elevator gripping her purse more securely -so
 GD> what. Just because she feels slightly insecure or may just feel
 GD> frightened, means nothing in it self.  This is not a crime and it
 GD> shouldn't provide the spark or trigger or create the outrage that
 GD> destroys cities across the United States. 

The fact that it happens when sharing an elevator with a black man and
not with a white man is evidence of the systemic racism that colors
people's attitudes, albeit subconsciously.

 DS> Within my lifetime, I can recall going into a restaurant for lunch and
 DS> observing a black couple who had to go to the back door and get food to
 DS> eat in their car.  I can recall that my schools had no black students.
 DS> I can recall observing black analysts being denied promotion for no good
 DS> reason, even though they were as qualified as others.  I can recall when
 DS> it was against the law for a white and a black to get married.  Most of
 DS> these things are no longer true, but the stain and stigma remains.

 GD> I am not denying that any of those things have happened, but as you
 GD> recall these memories from the past,

Some of which are not from a distant past.  The fact that they ever
happened has contributed to the national predjudice.

 GD> Did you know every back man who was shot and killed by a police
 GD> officer from Michael Brown to George Floyd would still be alive today
 GD> if they did not resist arrest?

That is not true.  Michael Brown was not armed and did not form a threat
to police.  George Floyd was not resisting arrest, but was struggled to
the ground while handcuffed and presenting no danger to anyone.  The 12
year old Tamir Rice was simply playing in a park and shot dead by
police.  Walter Scott was shot in the back after being stopped for a
broken tail light.  Philando Castile was shot in his car after telling
police that he was reaching for his carry permit.  Breonna Taylor was
shot and killed in her own apartment.  I recall when a man was shot and
killed in downtown Baltimore when he was laying his knife down and was
no where near the officers.  There was another case since Floyd where a
man was shot in the back and killed while running away - i.e. no threat
to anyone.

 GD> You know what this is all about it is in direct defiance of
 GD> declaration made from the President with Law and Order and the
 GD> authority that it represents.  These people suggest "Too many Rules"
 GD> and therefore no  respect for Law & Order"
 GD> They are kidding themselves if they think they will be successful
 GD> against the Full power of the U.S. Government.

Right -- send in the storm troopers to grab people off the street and
wisk them away in unmarked vehicles, all with no probable cause or
justification.  That is Trump's idea of law and order.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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