On 12-0295, KATHY JOHNSON wrote to TOM WEISS:
 TW> I'm really happy that I installed a concrete perch in Zonk's cage.
 KJ> I have those in all the cages here, but they don't seem to work as
 KJ> well on lighter birds like tiels and conures as they do on bigger
 KJ> birds like greys and macaws. I suspect they perch differently. I
 KJ> *do* have the correct sizes as recommended on the perch hanger tags.
 KJ> The ONLY bird here who seems to benefit from the concrete perch is
 KJ> Ivy, who hangs upside down from hers half the day. The others, who
 KJ> sit like normal birds, don't show any decrease in nail length or
 KJ> sharpness. I still have to cut them. 
Zonk's concrete perch is of a very large diameter ... large enough that no 
matter what her weight, her feet are forced to be wide open, nails pointing 
*into* the perch.  Any movement is a grinding action on the nail point.  IF 
Ivy can hang upside down on hers, sounds like the perchs are way too small of 
diameter.  Zonk is greater than a 1/2 diameter away from being able to grip 
around hers.
 TW> either ... but the perch does not clean up easily and I may buy a
 TW> replacement soon.
 KJ>
 KJ> Dishwasher.....works like a charm for the ones here (they get used
 KJ> as beak wiping spots more than anything else in the cages, so they
 KJ> get good and gooey regularly).
Been there, done that ... didn't work for me ... Dennis' suggestion of a wire 
grinding wheel did work tho to remove the poop.
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