JIM HOLSONBACK wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:

 JH> Hi, Roy.
-=> on 05-01-05 20:06, ROY J. TELLASON wrote to JIM HOLSONBACK <=-

 RJT> JIM HOLSONBACK wrote in a message to ROY J. TELLASON:
 JH> 

 RJT> I have several ATX boards here waiting for cases.  That one you sent my
 RJT> way with the busted caps has been fixed,

 JH> I disremember what model that was - - IF resoldering down that
 JH> leaning Cap works, 

They all three busted,  and no,  I didn't resolder them,  I just replaced
all of them.  The wire broke off too close to the cap...

 JH> and IF the chipset is Intel 440BX, 

Looks like 3-4 of the chips on there are marked "PCISET" along
with Intel,  whatever that tells us.

 JH> it should support 100 FSB and up to 450 MHz or so.  You may have 
 JH> to change a jumper to get it to do 100 FSB.

 RJT> and I have at least 3-4 others as well.

 JH> Woohoo!   And you are waiting to test them out real soon  - - -??

I was just checking out that Dell box yesterday and want to see what's in
those other two I just got, the HP and the Compaq.

 JH> You got PII cpu's for 'em? 

Actually a couple of the ATX boards are Socket 7,  had P200s in 'em when I
got 'em,  except for one that doesn't have any CPU in it.  I get this stuff
sorted out and I'll know better what I have and what I need.  I sure do
seem to have a bunch of Socket 7 boards,  too,  and wouldn't mind finding
some faster chips for those.  The local junk place had a K6-500 that I
might go for,  when I get back to having some money again,  ferinstance.

 JH> I have a boxful of PII-350's, if any of yours will support 100FSB 
 JH> processors. 

That Dell had a 333 in it.  Dunno what it supports offhand.

 JH> Otherwise, they would run at only 233 due to the locked clock 
 JH> multiplier.

Hmm.

 RJT> I dunno,  I'll have to look.  That board with the caps has a CPU with
 RJT> it, riveted heatsink with fan on one end,  long part number with no
 RJT> speed apparent- 80523PY3350512PE SL2U3 - I'm guessing that's a 350.

 JH> Sounds like I sent you one from that boxfull - That's it. PII 350
 JH> with 512 cache. 

Yeah,  I did get that one from you,  come to think of it.

 JH> Slowest of the PII chips with 100 FSB, but good for testing, due 
 JH> to the _low_ cost to me and thee.

 RJT> Got one other board here with a 450.  Also a couple of Socket 7 boards
 RJT> in ATX,  probably 3 or so of them,  with I think P200s in 'em.

 JH> Unless you check those Socket 7 boards out and find you have boards
 JH> or faster chips than 200 which can work in them, (maybe at least in
 JH> the 400 range), I think not much need to save them. IMO a good ATX
 JH> case and PS can be of good value for upgrading  - -

If I get some extra cases maybe I'll use 'em,  and if I can find some
faster chips that'd be nice...

 RJT> The Dell I just got a hold of not long ago I finally got around 
 RJT> to firing  up last night and it has a P-II 333 in it. I haven't 
 RJT> looked at the Compaq and HP yet.

 JH> That 333 was a real 'cadillac' in its day, being the fastest PII
 JH> which some of the early 66MHz PII boards would support. It was
 JH> based on 0.25 micron mask, had lower core voltage than the earlier
 JH> models, and used less power than even the original PII-233  (23.7W
 JH> vs 34.8W).  BIR last one of those I bought was about $18, and I
 JH> passed it along to my friend at cost for him to upgrade a system
 JH> which he had passed on to his uncle or some other relative. I
 JH> haven't shopped lately - I guess PII-333 are now going for $5 or
 JH> less, for sure.  (I'd guess for less). 

 RJT> Looks like the Celeron box I'm currently using with linux *may* perform
 RJT> better if I stuck that 450 in there,  but I need to see how the board
 RJT> the 450 is currently in compares with the one the Celeron is currently
 RJT> sitting in,  which is limited to 384MB of ram by design.  Lots of stuff
 RJT> to figure out here...

 JH> Are the 450 and the Celeron the Same package?  A PII450 should be
 JH> Slot 1. Celeron 433 and slower were available for Slot 1, and
 JH> Celeron 300 up to 433 were also available for Socket 370.  Celeron
 JH> 466 up to 1.4GHz were only available for Socket 370.  Even where in
 JH> the same package, not all mainboards would support all speeds.

Yeah,  same package,  and I know that board supports a P-II, I remember
looking that up on intel's site.  I don't understand why it only supports
up to 384MB of ram,  though.

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