From: "John Beamish" 

Let's not waste bandwidth.  Your "due process" includes elected
judges, elected prosecutors and elected sheriffs.  Your legal
representation is based on ability to pay.  Your jury of peers is a jury of
those who weren't smart enough to get a deferral.  Your trials are open
only when it suits the prosecution.  I'm not sure what you mean when you
say "other paraphernalia that Cuba doesn't have to bother with"
since I have never attended a Cuban trial but would certainly appreciate
hearing about your experiences.

You may find Cuba's presence a complete joke.  That simply shows how
quickly you are prepared to point the finger of blame while refusing to
look into a mirror.

And, while we're on the subject of Cuba ... how are things going in
Guantanamo?  Any trials?

"Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
news:3eb10f84{at}w3.nls.net...
> You're completely ignoring the human rights aspect.
>
> It doesn't matter how many people the US imprisons for breaching its
asinine
> drug laws, they get due process, legal representation, jury of their
peers,
> public trials, all the other paraphernalia that Cuba doesn't have to
bother
> with. And the right to protest and pressure to have the law changed. Most
of
> this is missing in Cuba.
>
> It is a complete joke that Cuba has any involvement in what should be a
> campaign for improved human rights worldwide.
>
> Paul
>
> "John Beamish"  wrote in message
> news:3eb03a0f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > I am not.  Though I have visited Cuba twice, I know little of the Cuban
> > legal system.
> >
> > The point, which keeps getting side-stepped by everyone else is quite
> basic:
> > "The White House on Tuesday expressed outrage that Cuba has been
> re-elected
> > to the U.N. Human Rights Commission, only three weeks after rounding up
> > dozens of dissidents and sending them to prison." while, at the same
time,
> > the US imprisons people at a greater rate than any other country.
> >
> > From that pair of factual observations, I concluded that Americans have
an
> > unbridled ignorance of what goes on outside their country.  It is beyond
> > understanding that the country which imprisons people at a greater rate
> than
> > any other feels somehow compelled to hector the UNHCHR for admitting a
> > country which just imprisoned some people for breaking its laws.
> >
> > From the feedback I am seeing, the Americans in this newsgroup are
acutely
> > embarrassed -- as they should be -- by Fleisher's remarks.
> >
> >
> > "Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
> > news:3eb02dd9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > You appear to be arguing an equivalence between the due process and
rule
> > of
> > > law in Cuba and the same in the US? And that record of protecting the
> > human
> > > rights of its inhabitants qualifies it to promote human rights in the
> rest
> > > of the world?
> > >
> > > Seems a bizarre line to take.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > "John Beamish"  wrote in message
> > > news:3eb008f8{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > > In sequence:
> > > >
> > > > (though I must interject with a brief comment)  I notice you are
> > > interested
> > > > in the nits and not the general substance:  Ari Fleisher rails
against
> > > Cuba
> > > > for jailing several dissidents while ignoring the
inconvenient fact
> that
> > > the
> > > > US leads the world -- as they do in so many areas -- in
the prison
> > > > population rate.
> > > >
> > > > It's hardly a cheap shot, it's a researched (however
briefly) reply
to
> > > Tony
> > > > showing (yet again) that his and Ari Fleisher's knowledge of what
> > happens
> > > > outside the US -- somewhat better, it appears, than CNN's -- is
myopic
> > (to
> > > > say the least).  (You may recall that I posted a cite to a study
that
> > > noted
> > > > nearly 20% of American males aged 18-24 couldn't find the United
> States
> > on
> > > > an outline map of the world.)
> > > >
> > > > The site is http://www.unhchr.ch/ and I did, indeed,
leave off the
> "er"
> > on
> > > > my reference.  Interestingly, if you go to
http://www.un.org/english/
> > and
> > > > click on "Human Rights" (it's in the middle
of the yellow text at
the
> > > top),
> > > > you will be taken to http://www.unhchr.ch so you may or
may not be
> > correct
> > > > that the web site '... seems to use Commission on Human
Rights...'
but
> > you
> > > > didn't give me a url to see the context.  Its home page certainly
uses
> > the
> > > > phrase I identified.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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