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from: John Wilkins
date: 2003-09-28 06:46:00
subject: Re: Why Can`t An Animal G

Representative Trantis  wrote:

> Why is it so frowned upon to propose the idea that an animal can get worse,
> before it gets better. It is not inconcieveable that an animal could get
> worse at doing a job, but because there are no predators, etc, it doesn't
> die out.
> 
> Or is it the case that in the wild a creature will only get enough food to
> be able to survive, so must be the best it can be at it's job?
> 
> [moderator's note: I have thought about this myself: the adaptationist
> ideal is that mere adequacy must be optimized -- that is, one must be
> optimal just to persist. Is this true? - JAH]

Wallace and Weismann thought it was. But the debates over optimality are
a little circular, given that whether or not something is optimal it is
surviving if we are talking about it. Darwin's observation of bad
designs suggests *he* didn't think selection optimised.

Sober, I think, used Herbert Simon's term "satisficer" - natural
selection doesn't optimise, it satsfices. Somebody called this "survival
of the merely adequate".

Trantis, I think the term you are looking for in the lit is "relaxation
of selective coefficients".
-- 
John Wilkins wilkins.id.au
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and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
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