-=> Quoting Gene Buckle to Scott Adams <=-

 >      Well now TG uses Jam so that's a big plus.  I have the Msg code
 >      for version 3 here osmewhere.  Since i was going to write
 >      some utils awhile back and did a couple.  But not looked
 >      at it in awhile.  the hard problem is figuring out the Jam
 >      format.
 >
 GB> Mark May's MKMSG(?) libraries go a long way to making JAM nearly
 GB> trivial to  work with.  The relevant parts even build under Free
 GB> Pascal.  I should get off my butt and port the Turbo Technojock Toolkit
 GB> one of these days...

     I liked the Technojock stuff.  Back in the '80s I got their library
     and never looked back.  Since then 20 odd years later I've
     redone them so much its not 95% redone and so my toolbox but
     its the best toolbox for newbies to start out with and then
     work with your own stuff.  Now though I have so many versions
     for the various things i wrote of the years its confusing.
     I got one for a game I'm in beta test for that is 98% redone
     for Graphics since the old one was only for text.  the other
     May's stuff I don't reall touching.  When I did some TG
     utils for my bbs I did it from the Dev kit and code tim
     gave me on the msg system.  

     I ought to sit down one day and release those utils I've done for TG
     for the last 20 years or so.  Last count i did about 82 of them.
     But i think I only officially released to the public about 10.
     Most went to friends and personal use.  Maybe one day...another
     project on my list of 30 or so projects :)


 >  >      How much did you rewrite of it?
 >  >
 >  GB> All the comms code and anything having to do with console-only
 >  GB> interaction. I also added a "rate-limiter" that
would allow you to pick
 >  GB> what baud rate you wanted to interact with the BBS at.  ANSI at 300
 >  GB> baud is a *horror*. :)  I'll see if I can put the thing back up in the
 >  GB> next couple of days and let you poke at it.
 > 
 >      If you rewrite TG like that at least 75% you can callit your
 >      own then and not TG.  Course the legal area is 51% in some
 >      cases.  But I consider at least 90% myself.  The baud thing
 >      sounds intriguing.  I don't think any other software does that?
 >      So your calling at 14.4 and you decide to connect or run
 >      the bbs at 300?  It downgrades the bandwidth?

 > 
 GB> Oh it'll always be Telegard 2.5i.  I may add a /Linux to it or use
 GB> unused version lettering after the 2.5.

 GB> The rate limiter is part of the output routine.  It just sticks the
 GB> appropriate delay in before printing each character.  I came up with
 GB> the technique for it when I was working on a .Net version of an Apple
 GB> ][ BBS called Pirates of Puget Sound.  That will eventually see the
 GB> light of day as well. :)

     Sounds interesting and makes sense.  But that could mess up
     with some ansis and games wouldn't it? Back in college we
     wrote a term program (basic bbs that did msgs, files/downloads/
     uploads and chat).  Was easy using the Async stuff back in
     the days as it was the only thing to use (back in 14.4 days).
     One of the advanced ideas was a concept like yours doing
     a rate thing to downgrade it to 300.  I seem to recall i
     did something like that but had trouble with fast typing in
     chat if i recall?  It has been 15 or so years.









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