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* Forwarded by Paul Edwards (3:711/934)
* Area : BAD_MSGS (BAD_MSGS)
* From : Dieter Mirbach, 3:711/934.8 (Sunday March 13 1994 10:55)
* To   : Rod Speed
* Subj : Hot water bed
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 -=> Quoting Rod Speed to Dieter Mirbach <=-

 DM> Who in the upper echelons of the army gives a flying fuck about what
 DM> happens to the grunts anyway. They never have in the past. Grunts are
 DM> used as guinea pigs, and information, if any, is released on an
 DM> ad-hoc, need to know basis.

 RS> Crap, in fact there aint no problem. The military is in fact a very
 RS> good system for doing long term tests like that coz they maintain
 RS> very good records of the medical problems of the people,

 DM> Too right they keep excellent records of those involved in tests, its
 DM> just that they neglect to tell the patient/guinea pig.

 RS> Oh bullshit, thats just conspiracy theory stuff.

 DM> Or the grunts that were exposed to agent orange during the Vietnam War.

 DM> Or the grunts that they tested radiation levels from A-bomb tests in
 DM> the Nevada Desert.

 RS> Thats not conspiracys, they were perfectly open about
 RS> what they were doing.

 DM> ROFL !! What a cop out Rod. They may be perfectly open now (after a
 DM> particularly painful extraction), but they were not open back then.

 RS> You are mixing up different issues here. The original was about their
 RS> own people, and their medical records. Nothing to do with the stuff
 RS> about exposing the public, that all the stink was about.

 But they still used the grunts in Vietnam & Nevada as guinea
 pigs, without informing them, and without consent. If, perhaps
 consent was sought and given, it was probably on false &
 misleading pretenses.

 DM> What about the news recently about the Aussie 4yo (in the 1950's, I
 DM> think) that went over to get his cancer cured. The meds injected him
 DM> with plutonium instead, and he died shortly upon his arrival back in
 DM> to Oz. Funnily enough, there was no autopsy done.

 DM> Yeah sure Rod, the public and the patients have always been fully
 DM> informed,

 RS> You have had a total brain fart again. No one ever said that there was
 RS> not indeed lots of concealment on stuff like that.

 You did.

 RS> Oh bullshit, thats just conspiracy theory stuff.

 RS> absolutely nothing
 RS> about the stuff on hand carried radio transmitters.

 So what, the discussion has changed tack, as it often does.
 Doesn't even bear any passing resemblance to the subject line at
 all :-)

 RS> Surely you can see the difference.

 RS> If you seriously think that they have lots of info they are concealing
 RS> on brain tumors caused by radio transmitters, you presumably believe

 No one was saying that they were concealinfg info on mobile
 phoness, it was suggested that perhaps insufficient testing has
 been done in light of the wide-spread use of hand-held mobile
 phones. Especially those that use them on a continual basis.

 And I wouldn't go so far as to not use a mobile phone either.
 But I would be somewhat hesitant about using it as a major
 business communications phone link for hours at a time.

 Dieter


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Hello All!


Paul

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