++> On Mar-13-98 Day Brown responded to David Martorana
 ++> on the subject of "A philosophy of chaos?"
 
 DB> ....But I have studied statistics and programming, which
 DB> is the way I usually think about it.  From what I can tell,
 DB> quantum physics depends much more on probability, whereas
 DB> newtonian math is calcuable.
 
 DB> Chaos is bounded by order in fractals as well as reality and the
 DB> rest of the universe.  When you setup a program and run it, much
 DB> of the randomness cancels out, and you are left with enough order
 DB> that you can see it.  When a program runs, the repetitive looping
 DB> back is 'iteration'.  I dunno when Chaos began iterating; except
 DB> it would be it was before the big bang.  As to why, I dunno that
 DB> either, but it only had to start iterating once.
 
     Most of the write-ups make a mush of separation between the
     terms "chaos" and "deterministic chaos" which is still sparking
     around through my low voltage capilaries. I suppose the
     philosophical edge of the question would struggle with whether
     a first iteration was accident or will or even OTHER ... ?
 
 DM>> ....any piece (or even ALL) of reality can be so confined into
 DM>> predictable windows and reduced to portable algorithms, seems to
 DM>> suggest "SOMETHING". Assuming such developing theory reaches a
 DM>> valid platform of workable acceptance, what would that "SOMETHING"
 DM>> mean? If just another clever twit of nature (data/matter
 DM>> compression) ...Why bother with so much space and knowability,
 DM>> unless nature (or God) has limits?
 
 DB> God and nature *does* have limits!  Why not?
 
     Would you be suggesting that the God/Creation-factor HAS limits
     BECAUSE She employs compression or simplification techniques which
     would be unnecessary in omnipotent circles ... ? (Of course she could
     use such clever tricks for FUN!) ...yes?
 
 DM>> Just thought I'd get your take on a growing area of inquiry
 DM>> (especially since I'm so fuzzy on how to frame such "pattern poetry"
 
 DB> nice term for it Dave. Reminds me that quantum physics formulae
 DB> are now argued not on the basis of mathematic proof, but on the
 DB> basis of how pretty they are.  Everyone loves an elegant solution.
 
    Always thought poetry would win out against science ...but not
    just yet!      Might take Hubble III/IV to see it!  2020 A.D. +
 
 DM>> into  an initial grasp). Since the fractal/chaos implications
 DM>> are still working their way into serious science, the whys? and
 DM>> what ifs tease the imagination. What happens to philosophy if all
 DM>> reality can be projected or derived from math formulae? .....or do
 DM>> we then have a "philosophy of chaos" that dwells to explore number
 DM>> patterns?
 
 DB> Pythagoras? he begins to look prescient... except that he missed
 DB> the *necessity* for randomness and probability.
 
     Perhaps he knew that the "randomness" & "probability"  factors
     were not so critical to mention. In FRACTALS, you test your formulae
     results to determine if the plot would go out of range (berserk to
     infinity); yet you tolerate some few "rogue points"  (mutations->
     generally discarded unless interesting). Most FRACTALS ARE VERY
     incoherently ugly and only the pretty or interesting are presented
     to the public as graphics; the rest be rare even~ever mentioned to
     exist!!!).  Does She hide Her "bad side profile"? Are we dealing
     with "galactic vanities??? In the Kabala, only "side of face" can
     even be shown, "full face", distructive to look upon ... !
 
         To use your "split em in two" insight,  ...Why Not ???
         .....certainly covers the other half of any difference.
 
 DM>> Those who would write the "holodeck" programs are going
 DM>> to be some pretty talented dudes....with some considerable debug
 DM>> years ........!!!
 
 DB> Well, hasn't God had 15 billion years to get the bugs out? As a
 DB> matter of fact, I don't think She got them all.  But, She got a
 DB> decent piece of code nonetheless, and a pretty convincing reality
 DB> construction for her trouble.  as to why? to defeat boredom.
 
     Decent code ....to defeat boredom?  .........ok! ok! ok!
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                             GG ... Dave ...
                            "^^"
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