>> No, I had not heard anything from anyone about that situation.  I don't real
>> understand what an ntvdm error is.
> NTVDM = NT virtual Dos machine
> ntvdm errors occur when 16 bit applications do something 'screwy', for
> example access some inner workings that conflict with windows.

I've seen that sort of thing myself when I test utility programs, but have
not ever seen it occur while running one of my igms in LORD.  There are
some specific commands in the ANGEL toolkit that work fine if you are
inside LORD igms when they occur.  But if you ran the same command in the
igm's Setup utility, for example, it would immediately cause WinXP to shut
down the window down.  

With exception of work done last night and early this morning on Lord
Gambling Casino, Lord Holidays, Gem Trader, and Outlands Tavern, all of my
Lord programs are fully up-to-date on the Castle Camelot web-site. You
might retry some of the igms with their most up-to-date version, and let me
know if the problems show up again.  Right now, I don't have enough
information to try to reproduce a problem, or figure out what to look at. 
The only person who can fix a problem if it is inside the ANGEL toolkit
itself is Jimmy Rose.  And I've not seen him around in these echoes in a
long time.  I think he's a college student, and he may simply be too busy
to work on his toolkit.  

> the pawn shop in particular causes this error in some of the shop sections,
> and i've seen it in a few other igms. i didnt say anything because they were
> in beta, i probably should have reported them sooner. i thought i simply had
> older betas and they were fixed.

I appreciate the information but right now I can't do anything about those
problems.  Just not enough details to pinpoint what might be causing the
problems.  It would be nice to know for example if the same NTVDM error
occurred in the same igm on two separate bbs software programs.  That would
probably indicate the problem was related to interaction between IGM and
BBS software and the Operating system. Not that it would help that much on
my end knowing that was the case. But if the problem can be reproduced then
Dennis Collins or someone else probably can identify the gremlin and kill
it for me.

Donald.

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