From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

George Sherwood wrote:
> "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in
> message news:44abfb9e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Humm.. Minefield are such buggers to clear even when the damn things are
>> stationery that most fail/don't. This could well create a very tricky
>> option esp coz most AT mine fields are protected via AP mines.
>
> I think this is much less likely under the Mine Ban Treaty.  I will be
> working with some of the Humanitarian Demining here.  One is especially a
> mess where the Soviets tried to blow up some ammo.  One more of many messes
> they left here.
>

Oh I'm sure. Not just their problemo's though...you should see the mess you
lot left across the border in Iran....

wrt at/av mines vs ap ones....how about anti-camel? An unladen camel
wouldn't set off the sov at mines but a laden one would. I think I posted a
pickie of the remains of a laden camel (probably mixed up with it's
master).

The problem is as ever a simple one of fusing. A ton of pressure? 1/2 ton?
140 pounds?

I had an entertaining conversation once with a bod who was seriously
positing that a motorcycle is a vehicle ergo.....light pressure fuses which
may or may not blow some farmer 10 years later to hell.


>> It was discontinued in part because of the land mine treaty etc which is
>> where my legal comment came from. Active mine with a claymore or with a
>> shaped charge...simply a different fitting.
>
> Of course you can come up with a completely different use that would be
> illegal.  Pretty much any weapon can fall into this category.
>

Hummm....very few weapons are banned. Heck they tried to ban dumdums so
people invented the "bending bullet" & the "softhead
hollow point". equally they tried to ban using lazers as blinding
weapons so they simply called they "high powered ranging lazers"
etc.etc.

Ditto these mines. The only diff really twixt ap & at & esp av is
one of sensor sensitivity which anyway can be made to ummmmm "become
more sensitive with age".


>> But again...the only diff twixt AP & AT would be the
"software"/orders
>> given to the beastie.
>>
>> e.g. in Iraq is an IED AT/AV or AP?
>
> Great queston.  Guess I would lean toward them being AT/AV.  But that is
> really only because it is where they are planted and being used for the most
> part.  Though, I would guess the enemy would be just as likely when a
> squadron of troops marched by as when a Hummer goes by.
>

Indeed. Is attacking a bus an attack on the bus or on the contents? Tractor
driven by a farmer 5 years after the war has ended etc.etc.

Nasty sodding things which should be gone. I could send you some pickies of
me & mines from an early age (approx 6 or 7).

Most of the bizarre & troubled places which I grew up in had the usual
unpleasant number of them (both ap & at/av.)

>
>>> It was interesting.  My first celebration of the Queen's Birthday.
>>> Most likely since I was one of the only people in uniform he came over
>>> and
>>> wondered what a Navy person was doing here.   Have to
see how the
>>> picture came out.
>> Was he in civies or naval uniform too?
>
> Civies.  British DCM was supposed to send the pictures today, but I never
> received them.
>

Any dancing on tables with some local fillies or was he more reserved?


Adam

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