From: "Robert Comer" 

China will end up having the same problems eventually in their progress
towards a more democratic government.

--
Bob Comer


"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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> Thanks, bound to happen by accident once in a while.  I think this whole
> corruption thing is a big reason why Russia has had such problems with
> implementing a real democracy and why Putin has begun to exercise an iron
> hand (substituting one corruption for another, I suppose).  I think it was
> vastly underestimated the problems Russia would face in transitioning to a
> free democracy due to the many decades of corruption in government
> officials, police, and a tradition of not working and no productivity
> among many workers.  Combine all that with the people voting for the
> communists in greater numbers than any other party, and its no wonder
> Yeltsin had such problems.  Speaking of Yeltsin, I've begun to wonder
> whether his supposed alcohol problems were Putin's KGB buddies giving him
> drugs, and eventually telling him retire or die.
>
> Gary
>
> "Tony Williams"  wrote in message
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>> Well put, Gary. I don't often agree with you but I think you nailed it
>> this time.
>>
>> Not that our police/gov are perfect of course, but in my experience the
>> notion of serving the community is the norm in our various layers of
>> officialdom rather than the exception. It makes for a much healthier (in
>> all senses of the word) society.
>>
>> --
>> Tony
>>
>> Gary Britt wrote:
>>> And the Mexican government is very corrupt.  I've come to believe that
>>> one of the biggest problems with freedom and democracy succeeding in a
>>> particular country or location is the degree to which corruption of
>>> police and fire services and local government officials exists.  I think
>>> it goes beyond the degree of this corruption however to the expectation
>>> of the public in general that police, fire, and local politicians will
>>> be or should be corrupt.  If the population expects these positions to
>>> be occupied by corrupt individuals then its like they lose the will to
>>> root out the corrupt.  Further, any person from the general population
>>> who takes one of these positions is likely to expect to be corrupt and
>>> to become a beneficiary of the corruption as opposed to a person
>>> determined to protect the population and root out the corruption around
>>> him/her.
>>>
>>> One doesn't have a true appreciation for the level of non-corruption,
>>> honesty, and selflessness of our police forces in the USA until
>>> traveling through a country like Mexico where the police are totally
>>> corrupt by comparison.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> "Geo"  wrote in message
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>>>> "Adam"
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge">
>>>> wrote in
>>>> message news:449879d8$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Geo wrote:
>>>>>> "Adam"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4497bf4d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?? Why is that? We (in the EU) rescue illegal
immigrants drifting in
>>>>>>> boats all the time e.g. at the mo Italy &
Spain have a big problem
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> There is a difference between that and setting up
a floating rest
>>>>>> stop.
>>>>> Isn't the floating rest stop red & white &
doesn't it have "US
>>>>> coastguard" painted on the side?
>>>>
>>>> No, the thing I was complaining about was some humanitarian group
>>>> setting up
>>>> water stations to help mexicans who were trying to cross the desert
>>>> into the
>>>> US illegally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You could try making mexico such a nice place that
they worry about
>>>>> white immigration much like those to the north of them did.
>>>> The problem with mexico is the government has too much
control over the
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Geo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

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